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<div class="">If we are speaking about less than one vote per month, probably it is not so hard for at least the half of the people to vote. </div>
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<div class="">I propose again formally: quorum at 50% and majority for the acceptance of the motion.</div>
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To: Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> <br class="">
Cc: conference <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" class="">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>> <br class="">
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<div class="">There are very few votes in the CC, I am not sure of the exact number but I would guess that it is less than 10 per year.</div>
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<div class="">The votes that I recall in the last year have been to appoint you and Till as members of the committee, to appoint me as chairman and the votes for the 2 stages of the 2017 RfP process. Perhaps someone else can correct me?</div>
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<div class="">I am going to back out of this discussion until others to propose an alternative if they wish. <br class="">
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<div class="">On 20 Sep 2016, at 10:32, Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Dear Steven, as already said I don't agree on the voting mechanism and, as you have seen, there is not a consensus. I prefer that we before "solve" this question. </div>
<div class="">And sorry for asking you again, you who have been doing so much work for this Committee ( thanks a lot!!!): nobody answered me about how many motions were voted in the last year. I want to put myself in Cameron's clothes ( literally translated
from italian; ��probably in English you don't have this expression. In any case it is like "point of view") and understand pragmatically how much commitment was and is implied with respect to voting.</div>
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To: Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>>, Venka <<a href="mailto:venka.osgeo@gmail.com" class="">venka.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="" style="direction:inherit">My problem is that there are now 77 mails in this thread and I am not sure whether you and Venka voted against our vetoed. If you did veto, how do the substantial majority of the committee who voted in favour find a way
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<div class="" style="direction:inherit">To me this doesn't seem a very effective way of reaching a decision on a relatively minor procedural change which apparently is not very different to the procedures in some other committees.</div>
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</p><p class="">What I've noticed as part of many OSGeo Committees is that after a while, some of the members become less active and less responsive, and that is ok.<br class="">
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</p><p class="">A typical person's engagement is a little like a bell curve. They start off being respectful and quite during a learning phase, then get engaged and productive, often solving a particular "itch", then involvement tapers off as the person's interest
are reprioritised. When that person becomes less active, they typically have excellent advise based on experience, worth listening too. However, because the project is not the person's primary focus they are not monitoring or voting on day-to-day project activities.<br class="">
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with 0 or +1 (it requires just a couple of seconds). If there are doubts, better to discuss it in such a way to find a larger consensus. Sorry, but I really don't see the problem.</p><p class="">Cheers.</p><p class="">Maria</p><p class=""><br class="">
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