<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Venka<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You and others often suggest that a lower fee would attract more participation - that will mainly apply to people travelling from within the region as based on your own numbers for an out of region delegate a saving of $180 represents a 7.5% reduction (in region it is likely to be about 15%)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We go round and round on this subject of delegate fees - we can decide to set the limit for an early bird for 2019 in Europe at $500 and then determine </div><div class="">1) whether any acceptable bids are forthcoming and </div><div class="">2) subsequently whether the lower registration fee results in higher attendance from those who had been unable to attend at £650.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Personally I doubt that we will get bids for anything that we would recognise as a FOSS4G Global at $500 registration unless the organisers can get a massive boost in sponsorship in advance of submitting a bid (as Dar es Salaam did with the World Bank sponsorship). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The scope for an LOC to offer travel bursaries is likely to be reduced if they are working with smaller budgets due to lower delegate rates.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The RfP for 2019 will start in September of this year, just after FOSS4G closes. I look forward to the discussion on pricing and ultimately the vote in the CC before we issue a revised RfP.</div><div class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 9 Feb 2017, at 14:29, Venkatesh Raghavan <<a href="mailto:venka.osgeo@gmail.com" class="">venka.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">My trip to FOSS4G-Bonn cost me 1500USD for air-tickets, 630USD</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">(early bird Including gala dinner) for registration and 250USD</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">(for 7 nights) for sharing a nice little house with Gerald and</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Nick.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">All this was paid through my project budget. For example, had the</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">early registration been 180USD cheaper (450USD @150USD/day), I</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">could have sent three of my students to make FOSS4G related presentation at local conferences.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">So I do not understand the logic that high registration</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">fee is only a "small" fraction of the cost involved for</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">participants. Also, lower registration fee may attract</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">more participation and we may end-up generating same</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">amount as surplus and also have more new faces attending</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">the event. We do not know if that happen since we have not</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">tried lowering the conference prices recently.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Best</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Venka</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 2/7/2017 4:49 PM, Till Adams wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">+1 - Paul hits 100% my opinion.<br class=""><br class="">Am 06.02.2017 um 18:15 schrieb Paul Ramsey:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Regular reminder:<br class="">No doubt a $100 drop on registration would be determinative for a few,<br class="">but it will not do much to change the equation for even a backpacking<br class="">overseas traveller, who will pay (from Vancouver) $1000 to get there<br class="">and $600+ in accommodation and meals, depending on how long they stay<br class="">(doing workshops? doing code sprint?)<br class="">Using second-city sites (Victoria instead of Vancouver, Lausanne<br class="">instead of Geneva) can shave registration dollars at the margins, but<br class="">they'll get eaten up instead in travel costs.<br class="">Local regional conferences (<a href="http://Foss4g.nl" class="">Foss4g.nl</a>) should probably aim to go low<br class="">and hyper-accessible, since they draw from a population that can<br class="">economize on all aspects of the conference experience (stay at home,<br class="">get up at 4am and walk to the venue from Haarlem, bring a bag lunch).<br class="">Foss4g international is... international, there's going to be a<br class="">minimum spend to get there and do it, no matter how few coffees are<br class="">served, how spare the venue, or how much volunteers are used and abused.<br class="">P.<br class=""><br class="">On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Steven Feldman <<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" class="">shfeldman@gmail.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" class="">mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Reposting this from the board list as it may interest the CC.<br class=""><br class=""> The current target in RfP is $650 including social activities but<br class=""> excluding workshops. The costs of travel and accommodation have<br class=""> equalled or, for out of region delegates, exceed the registration<br class=""> costs.<br class=""><br class=""> To my knowledge no proposal has been received for the last 5 years<br class=""> that was able to support 800+ delegates at ca $500<br class=""><br class=""> 2019 will be a ‘European’ year, I am sure that the CC would<br class=""> welcome a $500 proposal from the Netherlands community<br class=""><br class=""> ______<br class=""> Steven<br class=""><br class=""> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 09:38:47 +0000<br class=""> From: <<a href="mailto:l.g.j.boerboom@utwente.nl" class="">l.g.j.boerboom@utwente.nl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:l.g.j.boerboom@utwente.nl" class="">mailto:l.g.j.boerboom@utwente.nl</a>>><br class=""> To: <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" class="">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" class="">mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org</a>>><br class=""> Subject: [Board] Open open source, reduce registration fees.<br class=""> Message-ID:<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:62bfc24ab8c3406490757d8c14802bbe@EXMBX32.ad.utwente.nl" class="">62bfc24ab8c3406490757d8c14802bbe@EXMBX32.ad.utwente.nl</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:62bfc24ab8c3406490757d8c14802bbe@EXMBX32.ad.utwente.nl" class="">mailto:62bfc24ab8c3406490757d8c14802bbe@EXMBX32.ad.utwente.nl</a>>><br class=""> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class=""> Dear board,<br class=""><br class=""> Where is the cap on registration fees for FOSS4G? You have closed<br class=""> open source to me with these steep registration fees. You have to<br class=""> change this. A few years ago I could hardly convince my<br class=""> departmental management to pay for registration. Now it is<br class=""> impossible! Please open up the conference again. Open open source!<br class=""> Those who cannot organize a conference below $500 should not be<br class=""> allowed to organize. Scale down. No fancy stuff. Back to the<br class=""> basics! Back to the core!<br class=""><br class=""> With kind regards,<br class=""><br class=""> Luc Boerboom<br class=""><br class=""> Dr. Ir. Luc Boerboom<br class=""> Assist. 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