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    <p>I'm of the opinion that international conferences such as FOSS4G
      have the potential to positively influence equality issues within
      countries around the world.</p>
    <p>Tourism departments from within countries around the world vie
      with each other to attract tourists via conferences and other big
      events. I think that our FOSS4G selection criteria should include
      a statement along the lines of:</p>
    <p>"The OSGeo Foundation is committed to equality as per our Code of
      Conduct. Please explain how the laws within your country ensure
      that ALL members of our OGeo community will be welcomed and safe
      within your country." <br>
    </p>
    <p>I suspect we could reach out to WIT and LGBT communities to help
      provide better wording and reference material.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/2/18 11:02 pm, María Arias de
      Reyna wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAERgKeD2a2m70bg6svrFFCj4rwrFEbd11vK6aq-Hhv2dpCYxaQ@mail.gmail.com">
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            <div>Hi Steven,<br>
              <br>
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            This is a complex issue and there is no clear answer. There
            is no win-win here. Whatever we do is going to be a problem
            to someone.<br>
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          In the WIT (women in tech) field we have discussed this
          several times and usually the topic ends with the following
          question: Should we ban racists/misogynist/... even when they
          are majority to allow discriminated people to participate? Or
          should we allow them to participate... making life more
          complicated for discriminated people? What is more important
          here?<br>
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        I have a strong personal opinion in this matter, but sure, I am
        not objective here. There are countries I can't visit. And there
        are even more countries I can't visit and be fully myself, but I
        can visit if I risk and keep a low profile.<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Getting FOSS4G to "close"
                  countries may help them open. Or not. But what is sure
                  is that if we organize FOSS4G in some specific
                  countries, some of us can't go. Not Tanzania, not this
                  year. But this is an issue we will have to face sooner
                  or later. Or we may even want to avoid travelling to
                  some countries because, you know, we don't want to be
                  discriminated: <a
href="https://qz.com/1166305/world-chess-champion-anna-muzychuks-stand-against-saudi-arabias-misogyny-will-cost-her-two-titles/"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://qz.com/1166305/world-chess-champion-anna-muzychuks-stand-against-saudi-arabias-misogyny-will-cost-her-two-titles/</a><br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">This is no minor issue and I am
                  happy we are facing it. <br>
                  <br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Regards,<br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_extra">María.<br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:43
                    PM, Steven Feldman <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">We have
                        never thought about this in the selection
                        process. Should we? I am not sure. 
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                        <div>There are so many countries that have legal
                          and societal norms that are discriminatory
                          against one group or another - think LGBTQ,
                          religion, visa restrictions on entry - the
                          list will be quite long.
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Just on the LGBTQ legislation there are
                            73 countries that are shown at <a
                              href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_<wbr>or_territory</a> Should
                            we be excluding these countries from hosting
                            FOSS4G or should we be providing guidance to
                            our community on the constraints of
                            attending an event in these countries? We
                            are committed to promoting diversity but it
                            could be that in doing that we limit
                            diversity.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>No answers, just some questions.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>For 2018 we can ask the LOC to provide
                            security information to all delegates
                            (ideally in advance of registration). For
                            future years we need guidance from the Board
                            as to how to proceed.</div>
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                                    Steven<br>
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                                    <div>On 20 Feb 2018, at 08:36, María
                                      Arias de Reyna <<a
                                        href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">delawen@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:</div>
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                                          <div>Hi,<br>
                                            <br>
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                                          At least, I would consider
                                          this as a factor: security. <br>
                                          <br>
                                          I am used to not being able to
                                          travel freely everywhere, but
                                          maybe... Maybe I shouldn't
                                          have to skip conferences
                                          because of this. What is more
                                          important, getting the
                                          conference venue on sensitive
                                          places or having everybody
                                          allowed to travel freely?<br>
                                          <br>
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                                        <div>At least for Tanzania I
                                          plan to go, but I already
                                          assumed I am not going to do
                                          any tourism or any walk around
                                          besides the hotel, airport and
                                          conference venue. It's just
                                          going to be the conference,
                                          which is not as bad as it may
                                          sound :) At least I "only"
                                          have to hide my body (as
                                          suggestions from <a
href="https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tanzania/local-laws-and-customs"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.gov.uk/foreign-<wbr>travel-advice/tanzania/local-<wbr>laws-and-customs</a>
                                          ), which is going to be more
                                          difficult than you think. I am
                                          not used to hiding arms and
                                          legs when there are hot
                                          temperatures :)<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Anyway, this kind of
                                          advices are better if they are
                                          made by the conference
                                          organization than if they are
                                          made by some embassy. It is
                                          not the same travelling to a
                                          big city than travelling to a
                                          small town.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue,
                                          Feb 20, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Bart
                                          van den Eijnden <span
                                            dir="ltr"><<a
                                              href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">bartvde@osgis.nl</a>></span>
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                              <p>Shouldn't this be part
                                                of our selection
                                                criteria for the next
                                                conferences?<br>
                                              </p>
                                              <p>Best regards,</p>
                                              <p>Bart<br>
                                              </p>
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                                                    class="gmail-m_9140620405401666959m_2247691221658949231moz-cite-prefix">On
                                                    19-02-18 22:48,
                                                    María Arias de Reyna
                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="auto">Thanks
                                                      Mark, any further
                                                      information will
                                                      be very helpful :)</div>
                                                    <div
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                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_quote">El
                                                        19 feb. 2018
                                                        10:45 p. m.,
                                                        "Mark Iliffe"
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:markiliffe@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">markiliffe@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        escribió:<br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                          Maria,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Yes, it
                                                          is partly. Our
                                                          LOC is
                                                          formalising a
                                                          partnership
                                                          with HOT
                                                          currently, as
                                                          per an earlier
                                                          email to the
                                                          list, and this
                                                          is our first
                                                          topic of
                                                          discussion.
                                                          With regard to
                                                          the
                                                          legislation,
                                                          it is
                                                          unfortunately
                                                          a legacy from
                                                          the colonial
                                                          times, as
                                                          someone who
                                                          had lived
                                                          there for 6
                                                          years in a
                                                          vibrant
                                                          international
                                                          community, I
                                                          am yet to see
                                                          an instance
                                                          where these
                                                          laws have been
                                                          applied -
                                                          however, I
                                                          stress, this
                                                          is my personal
                                                          view.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Our plan
                                                          is to hold
                                                          further
                                                          consultations
                                                          with the OSGEO
                                                          LGBT+
                                                          community and
                                                          I have
                                                          personally
                                                          reached out to
                                                          those in a 
                                                          position of
                                                          responsibility
                                                          within this
                                                          intersection
                                                          for further
                                                          advice. I
                                                          assisted HOT
                                                          with drafting
                                                          their initial
                                                          response [1]
                                                          to this
                                                          concern also. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>As the
                                                          FOSS4G 2018
                                                          co-chair, I
                                                          would welcome
                                                          that people
                                                          share their
                                                          concerns
                                                          publicly, or
                                                          if they wish,
                                                          privately with
                                                          myself. But on
                                                          behalf of the
                                                          LOC, I stress
                                                          that our
                                                          stated vision
                                                          in both our
                                                          proposal and
                                                          now, through
                                                          our website,
                                                          is to the most
                                                          inclusive
                                                          FOSS4G that we
                                                          can be. We, as
                                                          a LOC, are
                                                          firmly
                                                          committed to
                                                          equality,
                                                          regardless of
                                                          sexual
                                                          orientation,
                                                          gender, race,
                                                          and creed. We
                                                          want to
                                                          provide the
                                                          safest
                                                          possible space
                                                          at this year's
                                                          FOSS4G,
                                                          setting this
                                                          out in both
                                                          our vision and
                                                          Code of
                                                          Conduct [2].</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We will
                                                          be discussing
                                                          this in our
                                                          weekly LOC
                                                          meeting
                                                          tomorrow and I
                                                          will, in due
                                                          course,
                                                          feedback to
                                                          this list.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Best,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Mark
                                                          Iliffe</div>
                                                          <div>2018
                                                          FOSS4G
                                                          Co-Chair</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>[1] <a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2018-February/014201.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetma<wbr>p.org/pipermail/hot/2018-Febru<wbr>ary/014201.html</a> </div>
                                                          <div>[2] <a
                                                          href="http://2018.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://2018.foss4g.org/cod<wbr>e-of-conduct.html</a> </div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          19 February
                                                          2018 at 16:00,
                                                          María Arias de
                                                          Reyna <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">delawen@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          dir="auto">Hi,
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">I'm
                                                          following this
                                                          conversation
                                                          on HOT:</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><a
href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2018-February/014199.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.openstreetmap.or<wbr>g/pipermail/hot/2018-February/<wbr>014199.html</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Is
                                                          this real? Do
                                                          this year's
                                                          organisation
                                                          have a plan?
                                                          Is it legacy
                                                          deprecated
                                                          laws or are
                                                          they being
                                                          applied? Do we
                                                          have a problem
                                                          with LGBT+
                                                          next FOSS4G?
                                                          Should we warn
                                                          the community?
                                                          Can we do
                                                          something
                                                          about it?</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Regards,</div>
                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto">Maria.</div>
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