<div dir="ltr">As one of the people who designed / ran the 2014 travel grant program -- it's great to see this continuing as a part of conferences going forward.<div><br></div><div>re: Cameron's comments -- I'd submit that the "diversity gap" is present in all profiles of people, and that it's important to consider both the work being done ("lone hacker") or the future leading (e.g. local FOSS4G),  and also *who* is doing the work / who is doing the leading, as that helps shape the future community both at the conference and at home.</div><div><br></div><div>And, again -- having run one of these, I know it's a complex web of decisions / factors. Thank you all for continuing to put time, funds, and thought behind making FOSS4G more accessible, and the OSGeo community stronger (diversity = strength).<br></div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>-k.bott</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 10:34 AM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Till, I provided feedback into the Google Docs version (now more
      recent than the wiki):</p>
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    <p>I now only have read access so can't show history and show diff
      between versions. (Hopefully you can).</p>
    <p>Re travel grant recipients, I think there are a few different
      profiles of people we want to attract:</p>
    <p>1. People who will be inspired to go back into their communities
      and become agents of change, after they have connected with like
      minded people at foss4g. (Maybe by setting up a local or regional
      FOSS4G).<br>
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    <p>2. "The lone hacker" - who has been doing amazing stuff by
      themselves, and who we can bring to foss4g to meet the rest of
      their team, and who might be able to inspire others.</p>
    <p>3. The diversity gap person. Helping balance out power imbalances
      by helping to empower the less empowered groups.<br>
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    <p>4. ... and probably more ...<br>
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    <p>We should be considering the "Return on Investment" for each of
      these different criteria, for each person we consider. As
      mentioned by Adam, each region has different profiles for this
      "Return on Investment" equation which we should respect and
      support. <br>
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    <div class="gmail-m_-7044346094801356710moz-cite-prefix">On 12/2/19 6:39 pm, Till Adams wrote:<br>
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      <p>Great to get so much feedback - that was my intention ...;-).
        OSGeo's CC is alive!<br>
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      <p>I will try to figure out a draft based on all the comments
        today or tomorrow. Maybe we decouple the call for TGP and the
        decision process. We can discuss the 2nd and then setup a
        chapter on the WIKI.</p>
      <p>Till<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hi Conference dev folks
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                        <div>I wrote and deleted a long post which said
                          effectively +1 to Mark’s comments. The very
                          short version is that air travel is pretty
                          much the only way to get around much of
                          Oceania, and as such needs to be an option
                          (cruise ships are another, but very dirty
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            <div>+1 to a lot of what Mark said.  Mark (and the Dar
              LOC) certainly set a high standard for what the TGP can
              be.  I was certainly glad to help a little bit on that
              process (and seeing how much the TGP had grown since some
              of our efforts in PDX was humbling - nice work).  But
              again these are criteria that will be set by the LOC
              running that individual TGP.</div>
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                        <div>I’m struggling a little with Eli’s idea of
                          funding based on expected conference
                          attendance. Again, in Oceania conferences
                          might not be huge but TGP support costs are
                          high. I’d preference assessment on a case by
                          case basis (ie the conference LOC puts up a
                          proposal, it is assessed - but proposals all
                          have to be submitted in the open), with maybe
                          some work to develop guidelines around ‘if you
                          live in region X, plan around cost Y per TGP
                          funded attendee’. Of course, this is prima
                          facie unfair because it’s a lot cheaper to
                          support a TGP attendee in Tanzania than it is
                          in Oceania. Food for thought/further
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            <div>My suggestion was intended as a general starting
              guideline and not intended as rigid.  </div>
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            <div>Oceania (or other regions) can certainly make their
              case for why their portion should be multiplied by Z.  </div>
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            <div>Also, different regions may be able to support a
              different number of TGP recipients based on various
              factors.  I've made cases for TGP recipients very near
              (and costing very little) as well as very distant with
              poor transportation connectivity (and costing a sizable
              portion of the total TGP but there were not going to be
              closer/easier FOSS4G events for them in the near future,
              but maybe they would be the seed that grows FOSS4G
              there).  </div>
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            <div>Hopefully we take a reasonable approach that is open to
              reason, revision, and flexibility and gets better over
              time. </div>
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            <div>Best regards, Eli</div>
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                        <div>…and of course, a fine rebuttal would be
                          ‘work harder on sponsorship/fundraising!
                          There’s money in the region, extract it!'</div>
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                        <div>Cheers</div>
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                        <div>Adam</div>
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