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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>great to see such a fruitful discussion ;-). <br>
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<p>I like the idea from Eli, maybe we should seperate between
with/without seed money here.</p>
<p>Till <br>
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<div dir="auto" class="">If we’re revising, stepped
amounts make more sense to me, 50/50 split of the first
$30,000, 90 OSGeo / 10 LOC there after. OSGeo already
has a host of great programs and ways to spend the
money. It also is the reason that FOSS4G happens. (It
also is how OSGeo exists). </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I’m all in favor of LOCs getting
some portion of the proceeds (that’s why I like an
aggressive initial percent), but think of what is a good
amount for a LOC to tuck away for the future and then
think of typical returns. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Best regards, Eli</div>
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<div class="">IMO: The RfP is published each year,
it sets out OSGeo’s expectations for LOCs to bid.
I think it is binding but it would do no harm to
strengthen that with some more formal language
when we revise the RfP document later this year.</div>
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<div class="">On 2 Jan 2020, at 11:54, Till
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<p class="">Hi Steven,</p>
<p class="">thanks, I missed to read the
RfP carefully ;-) <br class="">
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<p class="">Is it enough to have this only
in the RfP docs?</p>
<p class="">Till<br class="">
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<div class="">Am 02.01.20 um 12:39 schrieb
Steven Feldman:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class=""> In the
RfP document it says (my italics):
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<div class="">"<span
style="font-weight:700;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
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distribution of surplus</span>
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<p class=""><span
style="font-weight:700" class="">It is expected that all FOSS4G events
will be
budgeted and
operated to
deliver a
surplus over
costs. <i
class="">Part
of the surplus
will be
donated to
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<p class=""><span
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<p class="">OSGeo
can offer seed
funding (an
advance to cover
start-up
expenses and
deposits before
revenues are
received) and an
additional
guarantee to
cover losses (up
to an agreed
limit) in the
event of
unexpected
events (subject
to approval of
budgets and
regular
financial
updates to an
OSGeo board
representative).</p>
<p class="">If
OSGeo provides
seed funding and
guarantees, it
is expected that
in the region of
85% of any
surplus
generated will
be donated to
OSGeo (a lower
percentage will
be considered
for events
hosted in Lower
or Middle Income
economies).
OSGeo will
provide a
financial
supervisor who
must be
consulted on all
major financial
decisions. For
more information
see <a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Finances</a></p>
<p class=""><b
class=""><i
class="">If a
LOC does not
require seed
funding or
guarantees
from OSGeo,
they will be
expected to
donate at
least 50% of
the surplus
after costs to
OSGeo.</i></b></p>
<p class=""><span
style="font-weight:700;font-style:normal" class="">Travel Grant</span></p>
<p class="">OSGeo
will provide a
grant of $10,000
minimum towards
a Travel Grant
Programme (see <span
style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" class=""><a
href="https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/foss4g-travel-grant-program/"
target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.osgeo.org/initiatives/foss4g-travel-grant-program/</a></span><span
style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" class=""> </span>), the LOC are expected
to raise at
least an
equivalent
amount of
funding through
sponsorship,
donations at
registration or
other means.</p>
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style="font-weight:700;font-style:normal" class="">Video</span></p>
<p class="">OSGeo
may provide loan
funding towards
the cost of
recording the
conference
proceedings. If
there is surplus
from the
conference,
OSGeo requires
this funding to
be repaid in
full to OSGeo
before any
calculation and
distribution of
the conference
surplus."</p>
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<div class="">Dear
conference
committee,<br
class="">
<br class="">
you know, that
surplus of
FOSS4G's is
one of the
major source
of income<br
class="">
of OSGeo. The
upcoming two
events are
good examples,
that we need a<br
class="">
binding and
general rule
about "what
happens with a
potential
surplus of<br
class="">
a FOSS4G":
Calgary did
not claim for
seed money and
explained to<br
class="">
transfer back
"at least
50%", Buenes
Aires recently
requested for
seed<br
class="">
money and
mentioned a
transfer back
of 30% in
their bid
(Steven asked<br
class="">
about that
during the
RfP).<br
class="">
<br class="">
On our last
board meeting,
we discussed
the request
from Buenes
Aires<br
class="">
regarding seed
money. I know,
there is a
general rule,
that says,
that<br
class="">
if a LOC of a
FOSS4G
requests for
seed money,
that we as an
organisation<br
class="">
expect, that
at least 85%
of the
potential
surplus goes
back to OSGeo.<br
class="">
This rule is
AFAIK written
in the "FOSS4G
cookbook" but
in the WIKI<br
class="">
still marked
as "draft"
[1].<br
class="">
<br class="">
So, in my
eyes, we need
to approve
this rule and
make it
binding for<br
class="">
future bids.
Also, there is
no rule about
the surplus
going back to<br
class="">
OSGeo, if
teams do *not*
request for
seed money. I
think we
should need<br
class="">
to define a
rule here
also.<br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Any thoughts?<br
class="">
<br class="">
Till<br
class="">
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[1] <a
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