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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Feb 2022, at 09:01, Jeroen Ticheler <<a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" class="">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div name="messageBodySection" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Maxi,<br class="">Thanks! I completely agree with those type of changes indeed. It makes sense we have a list of scenario’s forward and have a vote on that by the community. <br class=""><br class="">For what the membership of the conference committee is concerned, I left simply because of the supposed/imposed barrier of not having been a conference chair, although I didn’t agree with that at all. Didn’t feel like fighting over it though. It would be better to make membership voluntary just like other committees. Possibly approved by the board or charter members. <br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Jeroen</div></div><div name="messageSignatureSection" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""><table border="0" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#EFEFEF" width="100%"" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td class=""><table width="250"" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td height="25" class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td width="250" valign="top" class=""><a href="https://www.geocat.net/" target="_blank" class=""><img src="https://www.geocat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/GeoCat.png" border="0" style="height: 50px;" class=""></a></td></tr></tbody></table><table width="200"" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td height="25" class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td valign="top" width="250" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); line-height: 1.5;" class="">Jeroen Ticheler<br class="">Mobile: +31681286572<br class="">E-mail:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" class="">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://www.geocat.net/" class="">https://www.geocat.net</a></td></tr></tbody></table><table width="250"" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td height="25" class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td valign="top" width="250" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); line-height: 1.5;" class="">Veenderweg 13<br class="">6721 WD Bennekom<br class="">The Netherlands<br class="">Tel: +31318416664<br class=""></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div name="messageReplySection" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On 4 Feb 2022, 09:02 +0100, Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>, wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-color: grey; border-left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; margin: 5px; padding-left: 10px;" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Dear Jeroen,<div dir="auto" class="">Thanks for your considerations.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I wasn't proposing to extend the evaluation of proposals to the whole community. I understand a dedicated committee should do this (even though I believe a part of the evaluation of a proposal could be assigned by votes of the community, maybe 10%?).</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">My point is that decisions of changing the organisation of the FOSS4G cannot be done without the involvement of the whole community. It's not about changing the evaluation process, it's about deciding for example to have a fixed location, to completely leave it to an external company, to pay the committee members to do it, to have it online or in person, to cancel the global and keep only to local conference...</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Another point is that so far there's the assumption that only organizer of previous FOSS4G have the competence to understand technical matters. That's quite aleatory and in no other committee there is such an entry barrier... If you didn't play in NBA you cannot be a good coach? Can a government self-elect his members? What about innovation, new ideas and other experiences, or we're just close in our FOSS4G past events experience... Because only if you run a global conference you have the competence...</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Sorry to be long, and this is not personal at all, I just like being inclusive and have empowered participatory approach..</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">All the best,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Maxi</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il gio 3 feb 2022, 17:04 Jeroen Ticheler <<a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a>> ha scritto:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div name="messageBodySection" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Maxi,<br class="">Thanks for sharing your view on this. Although I sympathize with the idea of a whole community having a say in how conference locations is selected and organized, I’m not in favor of the process you propose. Reading LOI’s and full proposals takes a lot of time and voting a lot of thought and discussion. It really helps to have previous conference organizers on the committee as well. At the same time I also think the committee should be open to other members (I used to be a member long time ago while I never chaired a conference, and I don’t think that mattered honestly). <br class="">Concluding, I think selecting a conference / proposal should be taken care of by the committee, not by all charter members or the whole community. Maybe the board or the charter members should decide for an elected committee similar to what we already do with the board elections. <br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Jeroen</div></div><div name="messageSignatureSection" class=""><br class=""><table border="0" cellpadding="20" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#EFEFEF" width="100%"" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td class=""><table width="250"" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td height="25" class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td width="250" valign="top" class=""><a href="https://www.geocat.net/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""><img src="https://www.geocat.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/GeoCat.png" border="0" style="height: 50px;" class=""></a></td></tr></tbody></table><table width="200"" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td height="25" class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td valign="top" width="250" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); line-height: 1.5;" class="">Jeroen Ticheler<br class="">Mobile: +31681286572<br class="">E-mail:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://www.geocat.net/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.geocat.net</a></td></tr></tbody></table><table width="250"" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td height="25" class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td valign="top" width="250" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); line-height: 1.5;" class="">Veenderweg 13<br class="">6721 WD Bennekom<br class="">The Netherlands<br class="">Tel: +31318416664<br class=""></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div name="messageReplySection" class="">On 3 Feb 2022, 16:15 +0100, Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>, wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-color: grey; border-left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; margin: 5px; padding-left: 10px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">Dear conference community,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">why is the community left out from this decision / discussion?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">The FOSS4G conference is a property of OSGeo, and therefore of the community as a whole.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">The conference committee has not been elected so cannot decide in representation of the community.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">As an OPEN community I strongly believe that all the charter members (at least) should have a word or vote on such an important decision.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">I hope this message is not ignored..</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">Maxi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno gio 3 feb 2022 alle ore 15:04 Eli Adam <<a href="mailto:eadam@co.lincoln.or.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">eadam@co.lincoln.or.us</a>> ha scritto:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi all (particularly voting committee members),<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The current FOSS4G structure has a new LOC every year starting more or less from scratch (some things like mailing lists and seed money are passed on). Over the years, many people have commented on the load of work this creates for the LOC, the general inefficiency, the risk, and the burnout. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">If you consider yourself a voting member of the committee (<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Current_Members" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Current_Members</a>), please indicate your preference on this. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="">This is an informal poll to see if the conference committee wants to:</div><div class="">1. Keep it the way it is and not change anything<br class=""></div><div class="">2. Change the FOSS4G organizing structure to something else (discussion of what we change it to can come later if people want to pursue this). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As I've expressed several times, I prefer option 2, changing the FOSS4G organizing structure. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your time and participation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards, Eli</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Conference_dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">Conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev</a><br class=""></blockquote></div><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>--<br class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); 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