[OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list

Sun May 19 19:50:46 PDT 2013

Hey,

On 5/19/13 8:17 PM, Gabriel Morin wrote:
> I found the incubation list you mentioned, thanks :
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> gvSIG ,Marble ,MetaCRS ,Opticks ,pycsw ,rasdaman ,TEAM Engine ,ZOO-Project
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> Sorry I was mistaken thinking osgeo was promoting all the geospatial open
 > source projets.
 > I hear so much about it I was thinking it was the case, but it's a
 > groupement like apache and eclipse.

Yes, OSGeo has been primarily focused on its own projects and 
historically has been weak at recognizing and promoting other efforts.

Now that spatial has become ubiquitous it is more obvious that there is 
great work going on in lots of different places. The R statistical 
library, for example, has done a huge amount of work on spatial analysis 
over the past decade but does not get mentioned much. More recently, the 
Eclipse foundation has started a major push as well and there are many 
new projects online.

OSGeo is one player among many others and is slowly being forced to 
recognize that. OSGeo might eventually change from seeing its role as 
promoting itself and its projects to taking on an expanded role of 
promoting all the geospatial software that provides its users with 
various freedoms. Unfortunately, the organization has been structured 
around insiders and outsiders in its membership and its projects so that 
split has become a deep part of its psyche---it will be hard for OSGeo 
to complete such a change though many are willing.

> from what you say I should go see the apache project then, mdweb is
 > build on geotoolkit and you say it's part of Apache.

Mdweb is at http://www.mdweb-project.org/

It is its own project and not, to my knowledge, under any other 
organizational umbrella.

GeoToolkit originally wanted to remain part of OSGeo but was not 
accepted. It has recently become an Apache project.

> We used plenty of apache projects in formation, so it should be fine :)
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> I have download geotools an geotoolkit but they don't look the same, is it really a fork ?

Yes there was a fork.

Geotools, after a first life as an applet toolkit, set out to become a 
general purpose geospatial library. However, the project become 
dominated by developers working on the proprietary GeoServer project. 
The fork that retained the name is now essentially a library in support 
of that server and releases only when a new release of the server is due.

GeoToolkit followed on towards the original goal. In order to establish 
itself as a project independent of any company, it went searching for an 
umbrella organization and has now found that in Apache.

The differences in the code bases follow from the differences in 
ambitions. One fork is more concerned with getting things working, and 
so advances rapidly. The other fork more concerned with getting things 
working right and so focused more on standardization and rigorous test 
suites.

Both are good projects and cover a great deal of the geospatial so, if 
they suit your needs, should be a good to work against. In your case, 
many core developers on GeoToolkit are in France and speak French, which 
you might find helpful or fun.

salut,
   ~adrian

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>   De : Frank Warmerdam <warmerdam at pobox.com>
> À : Gabriel Morin <moringabriel at yahoo.fr>
> Cc : "discuss at lists.osgeo.org" <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> Envoyé le : Lundi 20 mai 2013 0h07
> Objet : Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] project not found in list
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> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Gabriel Morin <moringabriel at yahoo.fr> wrote:
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> Hello sir
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>> I am currently a trainee in a city hall for a few months and I have to work with several map and metadata tools. In my formation we have used a bit of mapserver and amoung the documents the osgeo web site was mentioned for documentation and help.
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>> But I can not found any of the tools I work with on the site, that is MDWeb and OpenJump. plenty of other names of tools we have heard about are also missing, like Drupal, GvSIg, GeoToolkit, WorldWind, Osmosis.
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> Gabriel,
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> The Projects and Incubating Projects list on the OSGeo web site is intended to list direct projects of OSGeo, not all open source or even open source geospatial projects.
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> I'm not familiar with MDWeb, but OpenJump can be found at:
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>     http://www.openjump.org/
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> Drupal is not geospatial, and I assume you can find the project page if you need to.  gvSIG is listed on the OSGeo page, but in the "Incubating Projects" list.  GeoToolkit is a fork of the OSGeo GeoTools project.  I think it is now an Apache project.  WorldWind is I believe directly administered by NASA (not too sure), and I'm not certain about Osmosis which I assume is OSM related.
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> There are many projects which I consider "friends of OSGeo" in the sense that they are often used in conjunction with OSGeo projects or by folks who are involved in OSGeo but that are not actually projects of OSGeo.  I often recommend these, and they are discussed at conferences like FOSS4G.
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>> Actually it looks like there is only a very restricted list in the osgeo.
>> Why is that ?
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> I hope my response helps clarify why that is.
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> Best regards,
> Frank
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>> thank you.
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