[OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G events - email privacy

Tue Dec 22 15:16:17 PST 2015

Dear Board et al

Let me give an idea why some kind of CRM would be appropriate;
- finances are managed in a financial software environment like SAP
- code is managed in a SVN env like Trac
- collaboration is done in eg Google Docs
- relations are managed in a CRM
....however none are managed in a list !

It is probably a matter of dominant perspective or mental model ; if the majority of a community is financially/technically/commercially in background it tends to approach every problem with its own unique tool set. Unless a hammer is the only tool available....

Please let's treat the OSGeo relationship management as an important  enough theme. Unless outreach and promotion are not on the agenda any more. Doing document management in a SVN environment a little while ago was already bizar enough ;-)

Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans

> Op 23 dec. 2015 om 02:55 heeft Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Steven, 
> 
> I don’t think that might be another loads of managing different lists. The core lists are only two, previous attendees and sponsors lists, 11 lists are there at MailChimp. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> 신상희
> ---
> Shin, Sanghee
> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
> http://www.gaia3d.com 
> 
>> 2015. 12. 23., 오전 12:45, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> 작성:
>> 
>> Sanghee
>> 
>> I noticed that this conversation is taking place solely on Conference list so I have extended to Discussions to gain a wider range of opinion hopefully
>> 
>> I think it may be more work for FOSS4G LOCs and others to manage loads of different spreadsheet lists rather than maintaining one master database.
>> ______
>> Steven
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Dec 2015, at 14:55, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Steven and all, 
>>> 
>>> I know MailChimp is not for the CRM. However I believe the core part of the customer relation management doesn’t lie on the CRM SW but on interaction with customers, for us it means previous FOSS4G attendees and sponsors. 
>>> 
>>> As a volunteer organisation I don’t think we have enough time and resources to manage another CRM SW - whether that is open source or proprietary.  
>>> 
>>> So, how about just focusing on giving thanks and asking participation to OSGeo’s activities? It will not be so frequent. I believe introducing CRM SW could be another overkill. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> 
>>> 신상희 
>>> ---
>>> Shin, Sanghee
>>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
>>> 
>>>> 2015. 12. 22., 오후 6:58, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> 작성:
>>>> 
>>>> MailChimp is not a CRM, it’s mailing software that works of lists that you upload. The challenge is maintaining the lists with any degree of granularity
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with Darrell that a proper CRM would be a great asset allowing us to develop a better understanding of conference delegates, list members etc and deliver more tailored marketing communications to them. There are open source solutions that we could deploy and hosted solutions that we could purchase. 
>>>> 
>>>> I will stick my hand up to help (emphasis on help) with implementation if we decide to go ahead with a CRM
>>>> ______
>>>> Steven
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 Dec 2015, at 01:42, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2015. 12. 22., 오전 9:35, Darrell Fuhriman <darrell at garnix.org> 작성:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve always maintained that OSGeo should maintain a CMS with sponsor contacts, conference attendees, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We already have MailChimp account for managing previous global FOSS4G attendees and sponsors. It’s huge asset. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> One it’s all in place, you just have to have a policy for deciding who gets access to what, which shouldn’t be that hard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We may add new OSGeo sponsors there to MailChimp for managing all the thing in one place. And then we may set the access rule, maybe by Board?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But I was never able to get any traction on that.  *sigh*
>>>>> 
>>>>> To reduce any other additional jobs, I suggest to make the best of MailChimp as a platform for CRM(Customer Relation Management). I believe it’s about CRM not about spamming. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> d.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2015, at 01:20, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If sharing scope can be defined, that might also be nice. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For example, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. email lists collected through global FOSS4Gs, that might be only shared to next global LOC.
>>>>>>> 2. email lists collected through regional FOSS4Gs, that might be only shared to next regional LOC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> By the way, Conference Committee, when will you add me to the conference committee members[1]? I have enough scars on my body to be added to your committee!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Committee#Current_Members
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 신상희
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Shin, Sanghee
>>>>>>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>>>>>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2015. 12. 20., 오전 6:10, Seven (aka Arnulf) <seven at arnulf.us> 작성:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Done:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Participant_Involvement
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please feel free to add good stuff like this to the Handbook any time.
>>>>>>>> Anybody. It's a Wiki...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 18.12.2015 09:31, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All discussed here
>>>>>>>>> <http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Privacy-Policy-was-FOSS4GNA-Someone-is-watching-you-o-tp5241750p5241873.html>,
>>>>>>>>> it would be good to get your thoughts on updating the FOSS4G Cookbook to
>>>>>>>>> include a brief statement on email privacy.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Something along the lines of:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your details
>>>>>>>>> for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events.  You
>>>>>>>>> can unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the
>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe links provided."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> Ian Edwards
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 신상희
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Shin, Sanghee
>>>>> Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>>>> http://www.gaia3d.com 
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