[OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

[Steven Feldman]

Well said Sanghee
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Steven


> On 25 Jun 2015, at 02:21, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Darrell,
> 
> I don’t think the reason why OSGeo has not so many women are caused by lacking of CoC in OSGeo. According to the statistics National Centre for Education Statistics[0], women have outnumbered men in American colleges for last 35 years. However women just selected another jobs rather than programming or geospatial. It’s not our fault. I couldn’t recall any decisive moment that lacking of CoC in OSGeo excluded participation of female except recent comments from Kate. 
> 
> It’s very similar in Korea as well. More than 45% of college students are female. However they *DO* select another jobs instead of selecting programming or geospatial. That’s why only around 10% are female in Korean Chapter. It’s not because lacking of CoC. 
> 
> If we want to be a "broad community, a global community, also truly reflective of the whole world", we’d better discuss how to effectively engage other members from 3rd countries or developing countries. Do you know people in Asia outnumber the other part of the world? Frankly to say I haven’t seen any much effort from OSGeo to try to engage members from developing countries. Ah.. we have travel grants once a year.  
> 
> You said, "If our FOSS4G community does not reflect the entire world, then we are failing to engage all people, or worse, chasing some of them away.” Great! And then what is the real relation between your phrase and CoC. Do you really believe that imposing CoC automatically make OSGeo more welcomed organisation to 3rd countries or developing countries members? 
> 
> I feel that CoC is for white women in advanced countries. I know I might be wrong. However whenever we talk about CoC, it’s all about sexy image or something like that. It’s not about how to engage 2/3 of world population. 
> 
> All the best, 
> 
> Sanghee
> 
> [0]http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_303.10.asp
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>> 2015. 6. 24., 오후 10:42, Darrell Fuhriman <darrell at garnix.org> 작성:
>> 
>> I’m not sure who the “we” you are referring to here is, but it certainly does not include me.
>> 
>> I am absolutely, 100%, interested in having more women become engaged in FOSS4G.
>> 
>> Please don’t make such sweeping generalizations.
>> 
>> We are a broad community, a global community, but we are not truly reflective of the whole world. We are largely white men from wealthy countries.
>> 
>> I *want* people engaged and passionate about FOSS4G. And that means making sure have a community where *everyone* feels welcome.  If our FOSS4G community does not reflect the entire world, then we are failing to engage all people, or worse, chasing some of them away.
>> 
>> A CoC is not a sign that we are dying, a CoC is a sign that we acknowledge that we are insufficiently inclusive, and that we as a community will not stand for that. It’s a sign that says “We do not want behaviors that drive people away, behaviors that make our community *smaller*. We are a welcoming community and we want *you* to be part of it.”Is a CoC sufficient to create that community? Absolutely not, but it’s a step forwards. A flag in the ground — a flag that says, “We welcome you!”
>> 
>> If we’re afraid of that, then we truly are a dying community, and one that deserves to meet its quiet, irrelevant end.
>> 
>> Darrell
>> 
>> 
>>> We are not interested in "more women to become engaged in FOSS4G". We are interested in people engaged and passionate about FOSS4G. We don't care about the sex, the colour, the religious or the operating system. Why are we interested specifically in more women?
>>> 
>>> There is a large and growing business behind FOSS4G, which is an huge accomplishment of FOSS4G, that we should care and maintain. It is ok to have some grey people with a strange piece of cloth knotted at the throat attending FOSS4G and moving around.
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