[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2016 and diversity

Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
Mon May 30 21:14:07 PDT 2016

And for my YMMV, the last “norm” I ^expect^ from first-world ‘democratic country white males’ is good behavior.  Privilege can be a bit numbing. Where’s a good Dalai Lama when you need one! Yet finding the “inclusivity” overlap is certainly key, with ‘codes’ hopefully able to accommodate that, with some issue-stretching, but almost always via civil, and sometimes jocular, dialogue. Please forgive my non-1% overlap lip, -patrick

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2016 and diversity


Yes, your point was very hard to miss. I don't think you need to police this thread quite so hard though. :-)

For what it's worth, it makes good business & innovation sense to do more than 1% or so.

YMMV though,


On May 30, 2016 10:54:06 PM EDT, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
Marc, Andrea,
My point I'm hoping to make is that I think we might be spending more time discussing ethical code-of-conduct type questions than I think we need to. Yes it is important. Yes we need to flag bad behaviour and resolve it. But hopefully we can limit such discussions to 1% (or so) of our bandwidth - which we achieve by referencing our code-of-conduct.

Disclaimer - I'm a privileged white male, living in a democratic country, and I'm used to expecting good behaviour to be the norm.

Warm regards, Cameron
On 31/05/2016 9:48 AM, Andrea Ross wrote:
That's an unexpected response. Was someone suggesting OSGeo should be a forum for human rights?

On 31/05/2016 9:28 AM, Marc Vloemans wrote:

I think you misunderstood the aim of my comment.
I am not talking about human rights as such. (Unless they are threatened, of course)

I am addressing the need to guard and promote our inclusivity. If we want to grow and develop as a community we need to take any past/present/future concern about it seriously.

That is an integral part of our marketing and communications effort: avoid wrong perceptions and manage our public image where/when possible. Whether such perceptions address the nature of our code, our projects, our members, our organisation and its policies or our activities.

Hope this clarifies, cheers,
Marc Vloemans

Op 30 mei 2016 om 23:28 heeft Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> het volgende geschreven:


While I'm hugely in favour of mutual respect, and I personally co-authored the OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct, I feel that OSGeo shouldn't aim to be a forum for human rights. (There are other places for this).

Our primary focus should be on supporting the creation of great OSGeo code, and supporting the communities doing this.

Having a Code-Of-Conduct in place is a small part of supporting a community, and we should refer to it in cases where conversations or interactions deviate from good behavior, but I'm hopeful that we can leave it at that, and focus our time on our core code writing passions.

Warm regards, Cameron
On 30/05/2016 7:30 pm, Marc Vloemans wrote:
Thanks Andrea,

You are quite right, unfortunately. Sharing and discussing experiences and insights on this could come across as negative.

The same happened when I read an earlier discussion on a Code of Conduct for conferences. Frankly I was abhorred that such code was deemed necessary. Until I realised that I was perhaps ignorant (living in Amsterdam is such a privilege).

Can I invite you to share your
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