[OSGeo-Discuss] Gentle reminder reg: Project selection on the new website draft

Wed Aug 16 06:29:49 PDT 2017

Note that several of these issues are on the list to be discussed with
the vendor today.

There is also the issue of actual OSGeo projects that simply havent
responded to various requests for input. I've had to just add them in
myself so they are there and can be hooked up to the choose a project
wizard. What do we do about projects that have simply atrophied, but
are still considered OSGeo projects?

I *really* want us to adopt the mantra of "Bigger tent, more
people/groups/projects under it" ... Small tent thinking wont get us
very far.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Maxi,
>
> Freeze time will indeed give us time to assemble all feedback, discuss and
> prioritise for further improvements.
> I was not even aware of the holiday season ;-) Enjoy!
>
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
>
>
> Op 16 aug. 2017 om 09:10 heeft Massimiliano Cannata
> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Marc
> I agree, great and huge work was done.
> Maybe a freezing period before of any public release/presentation would be
> good?
>
> We're not in a hurry...
> With more time review and discussion can run smoothly?
>
> Also, We're in the middle of the holiday season and also vacation time is
> limited :-) to answer and check contents...
>
> Great work done
>
> Maxi
>
>
> Best
> Maxi
>
> Il 16 ago 2017 2:42 PM, "Marc Vloemans" <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com> ha
> scritto:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I feel that the "tail is wagging the dog" as they say. And we are on the
>> brink of pushing valuable volunteers too far. Again.
>>
>> Your feed back on the website is needed, welcomed and enlisted, but please
>> be it combined with some actionable way to go forward and a helping hand.
>> The site is still in full progress,  if one looks behind the scenes; there
>> is a really massive content creation thrust going on, the visitor journey
>> experience is enhanced on a daily basis, a multitude of tweaks in progress
>> and ..... the FOSS4Paris and Foss4gBoston preparations had to be done too.
>>
>> It is not the the Marketing Committee that has to fix anything regarding
>> projects and policy related issues here.
>> Jody and many others have had to make decisions - lacking input on various
>> occasions- in good faith. Often lacking clear direction and decisions and
>> actual support. This inefficiency has often resulted in rework and loss of
>> volunteer time. The Committee is fully aware that there are still iterations
>> to be done. Up till now they have done something extraordinary, unparalleled
>> in recent OSGeo years. Some slack is in good order.
>>
>> By the way. The projects that are listed have all an OSI approved license.
>> That has sufficed in the past. Let the free vs open discussion rest till a
>> later date (if it needs to be conducted at all). Subdivisions of projects
>> can be done in various ways: pleasing everyone in our community is a holy
>> grail.
>>
>> And again. Please be aware that there is a finite number of volunteer
>> hours in a volunteer day.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Marc Vloemans
>>
>>
>> Op 16 aug. 2017 om 07:37 heeft Maria Antonia Brovelli
>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> I agree completely with Helena. It has to be fixed with the highest
>> priority.
>>
>> Have a good day,
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> Pay attention to this Special Issue and see if it is of interest by you:
>>
>>
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>>
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>> ________________________________
>> Da: Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Helena Mitasova
>> <hmitaso at ncsu.edu>
>> Inviato: mercoledì 16 agosto 2017 13:29
>> A: Paulo van Breugel
>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Helmut Kudrnovsky
>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft
>>
>> Jody, I have to go so I don't have time to write more but this needs to be
>> fixed instantly to avoid massive backlash against the new website. After so
>> much effort it would be heartbreaking to have a negative reaction just
>> because we would be perceived  as providing advertising platform for
>> projects which are not really free and open source (I guess we will hear
>> more about this from Stallman tomorrow).
>>
>> Helena
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Paulo van Breugel
>> <p.vanbreugel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/16/17 9:32 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>
>>> We could ask the OSGeo live project what procedure they use, at the
>>> moment we have asked on the discuss at osgeo.org mailing list for open source
>>> projects to fill in a google form so we would have content to try out the
>>> website with.
>>>
>>> There is a very clear distinguishing of OSGeo projects on the website:
>>>
>>> a) Sort order is OSGeo projects > OSGeo Community > Other
>>> b) Only OSGeo projects are available from the menu directly,
>>> c) When listed OSGeo Projects, and OSGeo Community projects are badged
>>> with the appropriate logo
>>>
>>> When I use the link http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/ directly, I
>>> am seeing the page with all projects, with projects in what seems to be
>>> random order (and with some of the OSGEO projects, like GRASS, on the last
>>> page). Only when I click on 'projects' in the menu am I presented with the
>>> projects grouped in Osgeo projects, osgeo community, others. Wouldn't it be
>>> preferable to use that page as landing page when using the link
>>> http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/ directly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is going to be an interesting week collecting feedback when lots of
>>> the website is not working as designed quite yet (examples tagging and
>>> sorting). To be fair the vast majority of project descriptions were entered
>>> last weekend so this is our first chance to try things out with actual
>>> content :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 16 August 2017 at 02:36, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hellik at web.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 um 06:28 Uhr
>>>> >Von: "Jody Garnett"
>>>> >Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Project selection on the new website draft
>>>> >
>>>> >Not sure it is much of an explanation - our vision as a group is to
>>>> > empower everyone with geospatial - and there is a lot of open source
>>>> > >spatial to promote.
>>>> >
>>>> >By the same vision live.osgeo.org[http://live.osgeo.org] includes all
>>>> > kinds of projects :)
>>>> >
>>>> >The key idea is to help people new to our world to go through the
>>>> > choose a project pages and discover projects that meet their needs.
>>>> >
>>>> >The website is a beta, we now have enough projects to test out these
>>>> > ideas and see what issues we can find.  There is a meeting tomorrow >with
>>>> > the vendor that should be productive (a hands on training
>>>> > session[https://wiki.osgeo.org
>>>> >/wiki/FOSS4G_2017_Code_Sprint#Website_Training] for any one attending
>>>> > foss4g).
>>>>
>>>> I'm following the new website and branding process a little bit by the
>>>> mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> is there anywhere a documented discussion or a documented and approved
>>>> decision about how the project selection to be listed on the OSGeo website
>>>> is done? I can't find anyone.
>>>>
>>>> To be inclusive is one side; not to distinguish OSGeo projects from
>>>> other software projects from other initatives (e.g. locationtech) or GIS
>>>> vendors without any supplement words in the OSGeo website, I'm feeling
>>>> unconformable with it.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Helmut
>>>>
>>>> OSGeo charter member
>>>
>>>
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