[OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs
manarajahmundry2015 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 15 23:59:26 PDT 2017
happy to note that 'FOSS4G being Costly/Unaffordable', is discussed.
To make it fun, spice is added on the TERM HANGOUT..
May be the next board will have FOSS4G for Business, where in 5* comforts
that might make business easy for OSGeo.
Will also have, 'FOSS4G Developers', where in young students/Reserchers can
have a great conference.
Some fine tuning may make, Say , 1st 2 days 5 Star.. Next two affordable.
But in a world where, 'COST some times means Efficiency', may not, 'play
ball', with this Idea.
Cheers.. and All the best to the Hopefuls
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> Okay I checked that the report is not published yet (sigh). I really
> appreciated Jeff's answer, and agree that regional foss4g events are seeing
> great success and are much more affordable.
> To answer your question:
> *'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to be a hangout for those who
> can afford it'*..
> I have never agreed that FOSS4G is a hangout - I continue to view it as
> our most effective outreach event.
> *costs (of participation) are so high that many might not afford.. *
> I very much agree with this, indeed I was only able to attend the Lausanne
> event by the kindness of people letting me sleep on their hotel floor. I
> have tried to return the favour each time the event took place in my home
> *If selected to the board HOW do you wish to correct this...*
> This is a tricky one, in part because I do not have to imagine - here is
> my own recommendation from the board at osgeo.org email list thread: f2f
> meeting follow up
> On 21 August 2017 at 11:23, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> *I saw this thread get into the details of the RFP - for that we have*
> *volunteers on the conference committee. My goal as a board member is to*
> *work on strategy, as the conference committee knows best about the RFP*
> *wording and process.*
> **Q: *Based on the affordability report, and resulting discussion, did we
> as **the board have any direction to ask the conference committee to
> steer in?*
> *My own feedback:*
> *1) I was pleasantly surprised that the ticket cost of foss4g has not **changed
> significantly over the course of the events (indeed our most **expensive
> event was Sydney and our cheapest Korea).*
> *I do not see any guidance to provide here (this was surprising to me).*
> *2) Attendance continues to increase limiting appropriate venues*
> *I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and event is **growing.
> I think once we get around 3000 people we may be forced to settle **down
> to consider a fixed location, but at 1000-2000 we can still move it *
> *3) regional events are killing it*
> *I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and events is *
> *growing. **The hope is this takes some of the strain from the global
> event, allowing **it to focus on outreach and advocacy more.*
> *4) hard for students to attend (also journal, etc...)*
> *There was a strong hope that travel grant program could help out a lot **here,
> that would make me sad as this was intended to work towards **diversity.*
> *While there may be guidance here I am not close enough to the academic **world
> to provide useful direction.*
> *5) diversity*
> *The original intention of the travel grant was to bring diversity
> awareness **to our osgeo events (to apply regional events are asked to
> set a diversity **target which travel grant can help towards). During
> foss4g I attended a **diversity presentation that advocated creating a
> safe space.*
> **Guidance: *Trial the use of providing a safe space in the 2018 bid.*
> *Similar recommendations online include:*
> *- make female speakers a priority (not just in selection, but before hand*
> *in promotion, one-on-one mentoring etc...).*
> *- providing child care (this helps families attend)*
> *Since these haver not been advocated by members of our community I am
> only **comfortable providing guidance on providing a safe space. Perhaps
> some of **these ideas can be tried out at regional conferences first.*
> *6) time of year*
> *The events have moved from September/October to August placing it in the **way
> of European holidays. With the bulk of our contributors in Europe this **has
> affected how many of our contributors can attend.*
> **Guidance: *Request September / October event (to maximize contributors
> who **can attend).*
> *I understand next years event has plans to turn this into a holiday for **families
> which is a cunning plan.*
> *7) travel / accommodation*
> *I would like to avoid prime tourist season to avoid asking attendees pay **high
> airfair and accommodation costs. We did not have the number in the **affordability
> report to back this up (but Michael Smith was going to look **things up).*
> **Guidance: *Request September / October event (to avoid peak tourist *
> Followed by:
> *> 5) diversity*
> *On reflection I am a bit uncomfortable offering guidance here - lacking
> the **needed perspective. I would ask that the conference committee
> consider **diversity as a selection criteria, but would hold off on
> providing specific **advice listed above. I recognize that the board as a
> whole is a diverse **body and may be in position to offer guidance.*
> *I just don't think it is my place either as a board member (need to
> trust **the marketing committee) or as a white male (can offer only
> concern, not **perspective).*
> *Aside: This whole discussion has increased my respect for the conference **committee,
> this is tough stuff. I thank those who contribute positively as **part of
> the conference committee.*
> The thing to note is that as a board member we can offer guidance, or in
> extreme cases provide a mandate to a group that wishes to act. I you asked
> me "*HOW do you wish to correct this" * the answer would be to join the
> conference committe and help out, an ability each of us has as a volunteer.
> The conference committee has my trust, and as I understand they are deeply
> aware and concerned about this issue.
> Jody Garnett
> On 15 October 2017 at 16:56, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We actually have solid numbers for this, a report was provided at the
>> Boston meeting that kind of answers this to my satisfaction.
>> I was waiting for it to be shared with the membership, since your
>> question was one I have been asked repeatedly over the last six months,
>> especially at foss4ge.
>> I would really like you to be able to read the report and reach your own
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:45 PM Ravi Kumar <manarajahmundry2015 at gmail.com>
>>> Question (would be Board). 'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to
>>> be a hangout for those who can afford it'.. costs (of participation) are
>>> so high that many might not afford.. If selected to the board HOW do you
>>> wish to correct this..
>>> Ravi Kumar
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>> Jody Garnett
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