[OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

Mon Oct 16 04:42:18 PDT 2017

Hi Ravi,

I'd suggest change your question from "Board members, how will you make 
FOSS4G cheaper" to "Board members, how can you empower me to help make 
FOSS4G better?". And then follow up and get involved in the conference 
committee.

Cheers, Cameron

On 16/10/17 6:33 pm, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
> Hi Ravi,
>
> Thanks for the question and your suggestion below;
>
> I have expressed my opinion in the conference and
> board mailing list where this matter as been discussed
> on several occasion.
>
> I think there is still some scope for considering ways
> and means to enhance affordability. Maybe by,
>
> a) Alternating between business focused (big convention
> center plus all the frills of a Tech Expo) and an R&D
> focused (low cost venue, no-frills, low-cost-carrier model)
>
> b) Have dual pricing for high-medium and low income
> countries as was practiced in FOSS4G-2015
>
> We have had some valuable inputs from chairs of our
> previous event. The new board  should try to have a broader
> feedback (Lime survey maybe?) from our charter members to
> look for some innovative ways of handling the issue of affordability
> of our global event.
>
> Best
>
> Venka
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2017 3:59 PM, Ravi Kumar wrote:
>> Hi List,
>> happy to note that 'FOSS4G being Costly/Unaffordable', is discussed.
>> To make it fun, spice is added on the TERM HANGOUT..
>>
>> May be the next board will have FOSS4G for Business, where in 5* comforts
>> that might make business easy for OSGeo.
>> Will also have, 'FOSS4G Developers', where in young students/Reserchers can
>> have a great conference.
>>
>>   Some fine tuning may make, Say , 1st 2 days 5 Star.. Next two affordable.
>> But in a world where, 'COST some times means Efficiency', may not, 'play
>> ball', with this Idea.
>>
>> Cheers.. and All the best to the Hopefuls
>>
>> Ravi Kumar
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Jody Garnett<jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay I checked that the report is not published yet (sigh). I really
>>> appreciated Jeff's answer, and agree that regional foss4g events are seeing
>>> great success and are much more affordable.
>>>
>>> To answer your question:
>>>
>>> *'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to be a hangout for those who
>>> can afford it'*..
>>>
>>> I have never agreed that FOSS4G is a hangout - I continue to view it as
>>> our most effective outreach event.
>>>
>>> *costs (of participation) are  so high that many might not afford.. *
>>>
>>> I very much agree with this, indeed I was only able to attend the Lausanne
>>> event by the kindness of people letting me sleep on their hotel floor. I
>>> have tried to return the favour each time the event took place in my home
>>> city.
>>>
>>> *If selected to the board HOW do you wish to correct this...*
>>>
>>> This is a tricky one, in part because I do not have to imagine - here is
>>> my own recommendation from theboard at osgeo.org  email list thread: f2f
>>> meeting follow up
>>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2017-August/010526.html>:
>>>
>>> On 21 August 2017 at 11:23, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *I saw this thread get into the details of the RFP - for that we have*
>>> *volunteers on the conference committee. My goal as a board member is to*
>>> *work on strategy, as the conference committee knows best about the RFP*
>>> *wording and process.*
>>>
>>> **Q: *Based on the affordability report, and resulting discussion, did we
>>> as **the board have any direction to ask the conference committee to
>>> steer in?*
>>>
>>> *My own feedback:*
>>>
>>>
>>> *1) I was pleasantly surprised that the ticket cost of foss4g has not **changed
>>> significantly over the course of the events (indeed our most **expensive
>>> event was Sydney and our cheapest Korea).*
>>>
>>> *I do not see any guidance to provide here (this was surprising to me).*
>>>
>>> *2) Attendance continues to increase limiting appropriate venues*
>>>
>>> *I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and event is **growing.
>>> I think once we get around 3000 people we may be forced to settle **down
>>> to consider a fixed location, but at 1000-2000 we can still move it *
>>> *around.*
>>>
>>> *3) regional events are killing it*
>>>
>>> *I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and events is *
>>> *growing. **The hope is this takes some of the strain from the global
>>> event, allowing **it to focus on outreach and advocacy more.*
>>>
>>> *4) hard for students to attend (also journal, etc...)*
>>>
>>> *There was a strong hope that travel grant program could help out a lot **here,
>>> that would make me sad as this was intended to work towards **diversity.*
>>>
>>> *While there may be guidance here I am not close enough to the academic **world
>>> to provide useful direction.*
>>>
>>> *5) diversity*
>>>
>>> *The original intention of the travel grant was to bring diversity
>>> awareness **to our osgeo events (to apply regional events are asked to
>>> set a diversity **target which travel grant can help towards). During
>>> foss4g I attended a **diversity presentation that advocated creating a
>>> safe space.*
>>>
>>> **Guidance: *Trial the use of providing a safe space in the 2018 bid.*
>>>
>>> *Similar recommendations online include:*
>>> *- make female speakers a priority (not just in selection, but before hand*
>>> *in promotion, one-on-one mentoring etc...).*
>>> *- providing child care (this helps families attend)*
>>>
>>> *Since these haver not been advocated by members of our community I am
>>> only **comfortable providing guidance on providing a safe space. Perhaps
>>> some of **these ideas can be tried out at regional conferences first.*
>>>
>>> *6) time of year*
>>>
>>> *The events have moved from September/October to August placing it in the **way
>>> of European holidays. With the bulk of our contributors in Europe this **has
>>> affected how many of our contributors can attend.*
>>>
>>> **Guidance: *Request September / October event (to maximize contributors
>>> who **can attend).*
>>>
>>> *I understand next years event has plans to turn this into a holiday for **families
>>> which is a cunning plan.*
>>>
>>> *7) travel / accommodation*
>>>
>>> *I would like to avoid prime tourist season to avoid asking attendees pay **high
>>> airfair and accommodation costs. We did not have the number in the **affordability
>>> report to back this up (but Michael Smith was going to look **things up).*
>>>
>>> **Guidance: *Request September / October event (to avoid peak tourist *
>>> *season).*
>>>
>>>
>>> Followed by:
>>>
>>> *> 5) diversity*
>>>
>>> *On reflection I am a bit uncomfortable offering guidance here - lacking
>>> the **needed perspective. I would ask that the conference committee
>>> consider **diversity as a selection criteria, but would hold off on
>>> providing specific **advice listed above. I recognize that the board as a
>>> whole is a diverse **body and may be in position to offer guidance.*
>>>
>>> *I just don't think it is my place either as a board member (need to
>>> trust **the marketing committee) or as a white male (can offer only
>>> concern, not **perspective).*
>>>
>>> *Aside: This whole discussion has increased my respect for the conference **committee,
>>> this is tough stuff. I thank those who contribute positively as **part of
>>> the conference committee.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The thing to note is that as a board member we can offer guidance, or in
>>> extreme cases provide a mandate to a group that wishes to act. I you asked
>>> me "*HOW do you wish to correct this" * the answer would be to join the
>>> conference committe and help out, an ability each of us has as a volunteer.
>>>
>>> The conference committee has my trust, and as I understand they are deeply
>>> aware and concerned about this issue.
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 15 October 2017 at 16:56, Jody Garnett<jody.garnett at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> We actually have solid numbers for this, a report was provided at the
>>>> Boston meeting that kind of answers this to my satisfaction.
>>>>
>>>> I was waiting for it to be shared with the membership, since your
>>>> question was one I have been asked repeatedly over the last six months,
>>>> especially at foss4ge.
>>>>
>>>> I would really like you to be able to read the report and reach your own
>>>> conclusion.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:45 PM Ravi Kumar<manarajahmundry2015 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Question  (would be Board).  'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to
>>>>> be a hangout for those who can afford it'.. costs (of participation) are
>>>>> so high that many might not afford.. If selected to the board HOW do you
>>>>> wish to correct this..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ravi Kumar
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>
>>
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