[OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

Jody Garnett jody.garnett at gmail.com
Wed Sep 20 13:21:15 PDT 2017

Thanks Maria, and I apologize for getting upset. I would like a chance to
listen to people and determine a course of action together.

Jody Garnett

On 20 September 2017 at 12:59, Maria Antonia Brovelli <
maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:

> This is my last mail on this topic, because it is stupid to go ahead in
> this conversation and I don't want to become upset. I want only to
> highlight that what you call "social pressure" is simply to listening to
> the community thoughts. Community is more than a beautiful picture of
> people... Thanks Jody and have a good night.
> Maria
> Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung
> -------- Messaggio originale --------
> Da: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> Data: 20/09/17 21:46 (GMT+01:00)
> A: Helmut Kudrnovsky <hellik at web.de>
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website
> Okay folks this conversation thread is starting to make me upset; we have
> gone from a productive discussion and has escalated.
> To be clear we have an open bug report, the specific feature is part of
> the website template and I do not have the ability to edit it directly.
> Listing "migrate from" is optional and project leaders can change this page
> to reflect the area in which they work.
> This conversation appears to be missing the point of the exercise of the
> website as a whole and applying social pressure to get-something-to-change.
> I do not believe social pressure is an effective tool:
> - Are you actually offended and speaking from personal feeling? If so can
> you explain more how you feel we need to balance the communication goals of
> the website vs your feelings as community member
> - Are you applying social pressure to have this "Migrate to" information
> removed? I am interested in respecting the project leadership (who has
> control of these pages) and the marketing committee (who has an outreach
> responsibility). I feel that listening, rather than social pressure, is a
> good way to make responsible decisions.
> - Are you thinking ahead to how a specific community, say the QGIS
> community in this case, may feel about having "Migrate from: ArcMap,
> MapInfo" on this page? If so you are correct this original bug report came
> from the QGIS community, and I hope it has been addressed. I think the QGIS
> community offers a far better experience both in support and freedom then
> the alternatives listed. This initial information is provided by each PSC,
> and if we could get our LDAP working it would be their responsibility to
> edit or remove on a case by case basis, there should be no cause for
> projects to be offended.
> - Are you concerned about inviting comparison to open source to
> proprietary at all? If so you are a bit stuck as we have an outreach
> mandate at OSGeo. If you have specific concerns about comparison we can
> address them, and help write the "why open source" page explaining that
> open source is a much better way to geo :)
> Please be respectful of the contributors working on the website/rebranding
> and during the foss4g sprint.
> --
> Jody Garnett
> On 20 September 2017 at 02:41, Helmut Kudrnovsky <hellik at web.de> wrote:
>> Dear OSGeo community
>> I want to bring you a discussion on a github ticket about linking to
>> "similar proprietary products" [1] to your attention.
>> My comment there:
>> "I support and concur with Venka that the item "Similar Proprietary
>> Products" should be removed. There isn't only one proprietary GIS software
>> out there, there are several others. IMHO such comparisons may be part of
>> e.g. a reviewed scientific paper/elaboration, where our OSGeo projects - if
>> they want to - may link to. I see no added value for OSGeo to serve such
>> links. As already elsewhere mentioned by me, reciprocity is the key if such
>> items are listed, but I can't see this happen. "
>> I'm pretty much convinced that more effort to help our OSGeo projects
>> improving on every level (e.g. documentation, reach out, testing, etc) is
>> the key rather than linking to proprietary software. One of such
>> opportunities may be the upcoming Google Code In (GCI) 2017 e.g. to produce
>> nice screenshots for documentation, produce some fancy videos etc. based on
>> tiny little tasks for students aged 13 to 17. A good invest in the young
>> who will be our OSGeo's future.
>> Kind regards
>> Helmut
>> OSGeo charter member
>> [1] https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/issues/100
>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-September/036217.html
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