[OSGeo-Discuss] Diversity in FOSS4G

[Peter Baumann]

On 12.08.2018 11:28, María Arias de Reyna wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Peter Baumann
> <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de> wrote:
>> +1 for every word in Jonathan's excellently worded message. Science at its heart
>> is open (!) to any and all provable insights (and even conjectures expressed,
>> and all of that may be disproven of course), which works only if not driven by
>> dogmas wiping out unwanted results upfront as "wrong conclusions probably
>> because bias of the researchers".
>>
>> -Peter
>>
> I'm starting to wonder if you at least tried to open my links. You got
> a biased research result and hold onto that not wanting to see that
> evidence points in another direction. That's not what open science is.

my point is not about the content of the research, but the approach of stating
"bias" when results don't please.

- In the work cited by Jonathan, several reviewers have looked at it, and found
it done well enough to get published. Can you prove "bias"?
- Results of research have been presented, strictly separated from their
suggestions (opinion, if you will). Did you find any mistake in how they got
their results?
- Their suggestions are - scientifically correct - clearly marked as such. So a
debate about those is possible of course. However, we need better arguments than
just "it's biased", science lives from rationalization and providing evidence.
Not allegations.

Science is a hard job.

-Peter


>
>>
>> On 11.08.2018 23:34, Jonathan Moules wrote:
>>>> Let me tell you something: having legal rights doesn't mean you have
>>>> equal opportunities. Those studies are falling into the wrong
>>>> conclusions probably because bias of the researchers.
>>> Apologies, but that's a general dismissal of a peer-reviewed scientific paper,
>>> seemingly because you don't like the result. That's not how science works. If
>>> there is a problem with the paper (and most papers have a few quirks) I would
>>> suggest the correct way to refute it is to start by pointing out the
>>> methodological and/or statistical flaws, not dismissing it out of hand. If
>>> done thoroughly enough you can probably get a subsequent paper published via
>>> peer-review with some other experts in the field that refutes it which is
>>> usually good for career prospects.
>>> Like you I would have expected more women to choose STEM given the
>>> opportunity, but apparently they do the opposite and so I've updated my
>>> world-view accordingly to fit the facts. As the saying goes: You're welcome to
>>> your own opinions, but facts are facts.
>>>
>>> Anyway, we're heading off-topic. I was originally simply pointing out that Dar
>>> doesn't have gender diversity in the keynotes either (a point I maintain), and
>>> I question the unfounded assertion that 50% females in the
>>> industry/speakers/etc is something that is feasible given the research on
>>> female career preferences. I'll leave it at that.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jonathan
>>>
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>> Dr. Peter Baumann
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>>
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-- 
Dr. Peter Baumann
 - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
   www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
   mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
   tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
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   www.rasdaman.com, mail: baumann at rasdaman.com
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