[OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts

Fri Jul 24 14:57:47 PDT 2020

The PDF is a really “just tell us your idea” rather than  “pretend
everything is a code sprint”  (which was previously the only document with
clear instructions on how to apply for funding).

I am really glad to see this idea go ahead, there are several traditional
reasons for avoiding open source: GeoForAll meets the “lack of educational
materials goal”, a font can help meet the “I have to follow official
cartography goal”, advocacy can help meet the “huh?” confusion :)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:12 AM Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/blob/master/board/documents/osgeo_financial_guidance.pdf
>
> On 7/24/20 9:41 AM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 13:09, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Make a proposal to the board if you want to set this up as a cross
> project initiative.
> >>
> >> Marketing board would happy to accept your proposal also (this is a
> barrier to adoption).
> >>
> >> Approach project PSC individually also works.
> >>
> >> There is a PDF on osgeo GitHub on how to do this kind of thing ...
> > Thanks Jody!
> >
> > Have you got a link to this PDF?
> >
> > Nyall
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:36 PM Nyall Dawson <nyall.dawson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 23:38, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> This discussion starts to get into the value, it is a lot of work to
> gather up these original or alternate sources ... both for end users
> migrating to open source, and for OSGeo projects to do on their own.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this would be a great group project.
> >>> Brett has recently compiled a summary of these fonts and symbols here:
> >>> https://github.com/Saijin-Naib/ESRI-Fonts-Cheat-Sheets
> >>>
> >>> What I think we should aim for is an equivalent of the "Liberation"
> >>> font package, which implements freely licensed equivalents of the
> >>> standard Windows font packages (Arial, Times New Roman, etc), with
> >>> identical font metrics and similar styling so that they can be used
> >>> effectively as a drop-in replacement.
> >>>
> >>> What would be the next step to move forward with this and approach
> >>> osgeo for funding?
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Nyall
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Brad Hards <bradh at frogmouth.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>> I have no idea what is in the map fonts (or even what an ESRI map
> font is), but if you're looking for the symbology for DNC and VMAP, (which
> sound vaguely like: ESRI NIMA DNC LN, ESRI NIMA DNC PT, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2
> LN, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT) its probably based on some variant of the NGA
> GeoSym stuff - MIL-HDBK-857A and MIL-DTL-89045/A
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you're prepared to deal with converting CGM to whatever that font
> thing is, you can download the definitions from the NGA GWG Portrayal
> Working Group at https://gwg.nga.mil/pfg_documents.php (expect a cert
> warning)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers and some of those MilSym / MilMod things
> might be MIL-STD-2525 (aka STANAG APP-6) symbology. Not usually treated as
> a font though....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf Of Nyall
> Dawson
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 3:46 PM
> >>>>> To: Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
> >>>>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map
> fonts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault <
> even.rouault at spatialys.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue
> is that you have a style definition where there are tuples of
> (font_identifier, symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling of
> layers with point geometries, right ?
> >>>>> Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no
> alternative freely available version of many of these symbol graphics
> themselves. That's the blocker that I've encountered.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open
> fonts already covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely),
> one could possibly create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id,
> ESRI_symbol_id) to (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then you
> need a complete replacement for each proprietary font.
> >>>>> It's the later.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ?
> >>>>> There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete),
> which average about 100 icons apiece.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ESRI AMFM Electric
> >>>>> ESRI AMFM Gas
> >>>>> ESRI AMFM Sewer
> >>>>> ESRI AMFM Water
> >>>>> ESRI ArcPad
> >>>>> ESRI Arrowhead
> >>>>> ESRI Business
> >>>>> ESRI Cartography
> >>>>> ESRI Caves 1
> >>>>> ESRI Caves 2
> >>>>> ESRI Caves 3
> >>>>> ESRI Climate & Precipitation
> >>>>> ESRI Commodities
> >>>>> ESRI Conservation
> >>>>> ESRI Crime Analysis
> >>>>> ESRI Default Marker
> >>>>> ESRI Dimensioning
> >>>>> ESRI Elements
> >>>>> ESRI Enviro Hazard Analysis
> >>>>> ESRI Enviro Hazard Incident
> >>>>> ESRI Enviro Hazard Sites
> >>>>> ESRI Environmental & Icons
> >>>>> ESRI ERS Infrastructures S1
> >>>>> ESRI ERS Operations S1
> >>>>> ESRI Fire Incident NFPA
> >>>>> ESRI Geology AGSO 1
> >>>>> ESRI Geology
> >>>>> ESRI Geology USGS 95-525
> >>>>> ESRI Geometric Symbols
> >>>>> ESRI Hazardous Materials
> >>>>> ESRI Hydrants
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font16
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font20
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font21
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font22
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font23
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font24
> >>>>> ESRI IGL Font25
> >>>>> ESRI Meteorological 01
> >>>>> ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers
> >>>>> ESRI MilMod 01
> >>>>> ESRI MilMod 02
> >>>>> ESRI MilRed 01
> >>>>> ESRI MilSym 01
> >>>>> ESRI MilSym 02
> >>>>> ESRI MilSym 03
> >>>>> ESRI MilSym 04
> >>>>> ESRI MilSym 05
> >>>>> ESRI NIMA City Graphic LN
> >>>>> ESRI NIMA City Graphic PT
> >>>>> ESRI NIMA DNC LN
> >>>>> ESRI NIMA DNC PT
> >>>>> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN
> >>>>> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT
> >>>>> ESRI North
> >>>>> ESRI Oil, Gas, & Water
> >>>>> ESRI Ordnance Survey
> >>>>> ESRI Pipeline US 1
> >>>>> ESRI Public1
> >>>>> ESRI SDS 1.95 1
> >>>>> ESRI SDS 1.95 2
> >>>>> ESRI SDS 2.00 1
> >>>>> ESRI SDS 2.00 2
> >>>>> ESRI Shields
> >>>>> ESRI Surveyor
> >>>>> ESRI Telecom
> >>>>> ESRI Transportation & Civic
> >>>>> ESRI US Forestry 1
> >>>>> ESRI US Forestry 2
> >>>>> ESRI US MUTCD 1
> >>>>> ESRI US MUTCD 2
> >>>>> ESRI US MUTCD 3
> >>>>> ESRI Weather
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> >>>> Jody Garnett
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