From even.rouault at spatialys.com Sat Apr 11 06:14:53 2026 From: even.rouault at spatialys.com (Even Rouault) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 15:14:53 +0200 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] AI slope reaching our projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, So 2 months after having written be below message, and GDAL, PROJ, QGIS having adopted this human-in-the-loop policy, I personally consider it as mostly a failure (which was a very likely outcome). I've no idea about how much seriousness contributors using AI tools give in reviewing their output, but the reality is that even if they are well intended and super careful and read every line and (believe they) understand what it does, they just lack the experience to have a critical eye (which is the reason in the first place why they needed to use it). The asymmetry of effort between the ease for them to push the PR and the ones bearing on the reviewer's shoulder to debunk the flaws is unsustainable. Pretty similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law .?With the difference that it is far from being obvious where the "lie" is (which is expected since those tools are designed at generating credible output). You've have to be super mindful of the tendency of LLMs to generate bloat. Unit tests are a striking examples. Before AI, we were begging our contributors with "please write a couple unit tests, please". No this is more "please please cut down the tests to the bare minimum, and remove all those comments that bring nothing but increasing cognitive burden". Crazy! So my mindset would be now more on the side "no AI generated code allowed", but I don't know how we can realistically enforce that. I bet a significant proportion of people addicted to those tools will for sure lie (addiction is the appropriate word), which will make things even worse if you don't know when you have to turn your review-with-extreme-scepticism radar on. Any feedback from other projects that the ones mentioned here? Even Le 05/02/2026 ? 18:14, Even Rouault a ?crit?: > Hi, > > At least GDAL, GRASS-GIS and QGIS have seen recently a raise in AI > driven "contributions". That's really a plague. GRASS-GIS has adopted > a policy regarding that in > https://github.com/OSGeo/grass/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#ai-use-policy > . QGIS is about to have one in > https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/pull/363. GDAL will > likely do something similar soon. > > Like there's a Code of conduct that projects can use, maybe OSGeo > could have a similar thing. Although I suspect people may have > different sensitivities to the subject. > > Even > -- http://www.spatialys.com My software is free, but my time generally not. From mfidelman at protocoltechnologiesgroup.com Sat Apr 11 06:55:49 2026 From: mfidelman at protocoltechnologiesgroup.com (Miles Fidelman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 13:55:49 +0000 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] AI slope reaching our projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yet another example of the agile mentality - that one doesn't have to actually understand the problem at hand, or practice any serious engineering discipline when it comes to software. Moving fast & breaking things, with no aforethought, is bad enough when practiced by human code monkeys. When we turn automated code monkeys to throw shit against the walls, to see what sticks - with ill-defined directions, and no review - that's the end of civilization. We need to start applying serious subject domain expertise, and serious engineering practice to the development of software - doing the math, serious systems architecture & engineering practice, serious design reviews from the specification stage onwards. Otherwise it's game over for our human family enterprise. (Then again, if we're going to start releasing autonomous Skynet drones into the world - maybe we WANT to program them with code that doesn't work at all.) Miles Fidelman ________________________________ From: Discuss on behalf of Even Rouault via Discuss Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 9:14 AM To: OSGeo Discuss list Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] AI slope reaching our projects Hi, So 2 months after having written be below message, and GDAL, PROJ, QGIS having adopted this human-in-the-loop policy, I personally consider it as mostly a failure (which was a very likely outcome). I've no idea about how much seriousness contributors using AI tools give in reviewing their output, but the reality is that even if they are well intended and super careful and read every line and (believe they) understand what it does, they just lack the experience to have a critical eye (which is the reason in the first place why they needed to use it). The asymmetry of effort between the ease for them to push the PR and the ones bearing on the reviewer's shoulder to debunk the flaws is unsustainable. Pretty similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law . With the difference that it is far from being obvious where the "lie" is (which is expected since those tools are designed at generating credible output). You've have to be super mindful of the tendency of LLMs to generate bloat. Unit tests are a striking examples. Before AI, we were begging our contributors with "please write a couple unit tests, please". No this is more "please please cut down the tests to the bare minimum, and remove all those comments that bring nothing but increasing cognitive burden". Crazy! So my mindset would be now more on the side "no AI generated code allowed", but I don't know how we can realistically enforce that. I bet a significant proportion of people addicted to those tools will for sure lie (addiction is the appropriate word), which will make things even worse if you don't know when you have to turn your review-with-extreme-scepticism radar on. Any feedback from other projects that the ones mentioned here? Even Le 05/02/2026 ? 18:14, Even Rouault a ?crit : > Hi, > > At least GDAL, GRASS-GIS and QGIS have seen recently a raise in AI > driven "contributions". That's really a plague. GRASS-GIS has adopted > a policy regarding that in > https://github.com/OSGeo/grass/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#ai-use-policy > . QGIS is about to have one in > https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/pull/363. GDAL will > likely do something similar soon. > > Like there's a Code of conduct that projects can use, maybe OSGeo > could have a similar thing. Although I suspect people may have > different sensitivities to the subject. > > Even > -- http://www.spatialys.com My software is free, but my time generally not. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at komzpa.net Sat Apr 11 10:06:41 2026 From: me at komzpa.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Darafei_=22Kom=D1=8Fpa=22_Praliaskouski?=) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 21:06:41 +0400 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] AI slope reaching our projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, One other thing is to "fight fire with fire" - https://www.coderabbit.ai/ is free for FOSS software, reviews anything coming in before it reaches humans, remembers "similar" comments from other PRs and so on. Just enable it for the organization and let it handle the first round of reviews. Recently they added functionality to add configurable "slop" mark to the pull requests if that is what it sees. We've been running it on PostGIS github for some years and it has been helpful so far, I'd say we don't have that much of an issue handling incoming contributions with it - definitely helps interacting with both AI and less experienced developers. On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 5:25?PM Even Rouault via Discuss < discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > Hi, > > So 2 months after having written be below message, and GDAL, PROJ, QGIS > having adopted this human-in-the-loop policy, I personally consider it > as mostly a failure (which was a very likely outcome). I've no idea > about how much seriousness contributors using AI tools give in reviewing > their output, but the reality is that even if they are well intended and > super careful and read every line and (believe they) understand what it > does, they just lack the experience to have a critical eye (which is the > reason in the first place why they needed to use it). The asymmetry of > effort between the ease for them to push the PR and the ones bearing on > the reviewer's shoulder to debunk the flaws is unsustainable. Pretty > similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law . With the > difference that it is far from being obvious where the "lie" is (which > is expected since those tools are designed at generating credible > output). You've have to be super mindful of the tendency of LLMs to > generate bloat. Unit tests are a striking examples. Before AI, we were > begging our contributors with "please write a couple unit tests, > please". No this is more "please please cut down the tests to the bare > minimum, and remove all those comments that bring nothing but increasing > cognitive burden". Crazy! > > So my mindset would be now more on the side "no AI generated code > allowed", but I don't know how we can realistically enforce that. I bet > a significant proportion of people addicted to those tools will for sure > lie (addiction is the appropriate word), which will make things even > worse if you don't know when you have to turn your > review-with-extreme-scepticism radar on. > > Any feedback from other projects that the ones mentioned here? > > Even > > > Le 05/02/2026 ? 18:14, Even Rouault a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > At least GDAL, GRASS-GIS and QGIS have seen recently a raise in AI > > driven "contributions". That's really a plague. GRASS-GIS has adopted > > a policy regarding that in > > https://github.com/OSGeo/grass/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#ai-use-policy > > . QGIS is about to have one in > > https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Enhancement-Proposals/pull/363. GDAL will > > likely do something similar soon. > > > > Like there's a Code of conduct that projects can use, maybe OSGeo > > could have a similar thing. Although I suspect people may have > > different sensitivities to the subject. > > > > Even > > > -- > http://www.spatialys.com > My software is free, but my time generally not. > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I bet > a significant proportion of people addicted to those tools will for sure > lie (addiction is the appropriate word), which will make things even > worse if you don't know when you have to turn your > review-with-extreme-scepticism radar on. > Kubernetes folks have been in similar position, established AI policy the came to conclusions it doesn't really work and needs reviewing, here's the ongoing thread: https://groups.google.com/a/kubernetes.io/g/dev/c/7Y9016gdFZw/m/NQbEfZQvAgAJ Best regards, -- Mateusz ?oskot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasile at geo-spatial.org Fri Apr 17 11:15:32 2026 From: vasile at geo-spatial.org (Vasile Craciunescu) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2026 21:15:32 +0300 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2027: Bristol, UK Message-ID: <42c69963-fbf9-489c-b9f4-4355a55f58db@geo-spatial.org> Dear all, According with the conference committee members votes, in 2027, FOSS4G will return to Europe. We wold like to thank the Bristol LOC for taking such an important responsibility. May the FOSS4G be with you, Vasile & Msilikale Co-Chairs, FOSS4G Conference Committee From suchithanand1976 at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 10:23:13 2026 From: suchithanand1976 at gmail.com (Suchith Anand) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2026 18:23:13 +0100 Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Environmental Intelligence References: <912EC603-F7BF-4A17-8910-E04B85C5FFE9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, The Ethical Data Initiative (EDI) held its large-scale annual Town Hall Meeting on 12 March, 2026 at the TUM Think Tank at the Technical University of Munich (TUM). This multi-stakeholder event served as a vital touchstone for our global community to reflect on our progress and co-create the roadmap for the year ahead. The event concluded with a powerful keynote from Hop Hopkins and Jane Anderson of Local Contexts . Their work addresses the chronic problem of digital colonialism ? the historical and ongoing extraction of indigenous knowledge without consent or attribution.Through their innovative system of Traditional Knowledge and Biocultural Labels and Notices, Local Contexts provides a tool for indigenous communities to reassert their cultural authority over data sitting in global repositories. ?Colonialism is a structure, not an event,? Professor Anderson noted, explaining how their metadata interventions (such as those at the Library of Congress) are changing the very ?plumbing? of institutional data systems. Hopkins encouraged the audience to view this not just as a technical fix, but as a radical social movement toward ?data back? and true reparations for the global majority. The full video recording of the keynote presentation is available at https://ethicaldatainitiative.org/2026/03/19/global-perspectives-on-data-justice-highlights-from-the-edi-townhall-2026/ More details of the excellent work of Local Contexts at https://localcontexts.org https://localcontexts.org/labels/about-the-labels/ https://localcontexts.org/films/ The EDI Townhall slides can be found on the Ethical Data Initiative Zenodo Page Best wishes Suchith > >> On 16 Apr 2026, at 19:53, Suchith Anand wrote: >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> This webinar recording from GEO Work Programme might be of interest. >> >> The Group on Earth Observations (GEO) is a partnership of more than 100 national governments and in excess of 100 Participating Organizations that envisions a future where decisions and actions for the benefit of humankind are informed by coordinated, comprehensive and sustained Earth observations. Details at https://earthobservations.org >> >> Earth observation data, combined with Indigenous governance and local knowledge, is key to stronger disaster resilience, climate adaptation and biodiversity stewardship. During the GEO Open House Webinar, James Rattling Leaf from the GEO Indigenous Alliance made a powerful case for reframing how we think about Earth observation and who it serves. James explained how the GEO Indigenous Alliance connects what satellites can detect and what communities on the ground experience. >> >> Watch James's presentation to learn more about the work of the GEO Indigenous Alliance >> >> The full event recording is at https://earthobservations.org/about-us/events/drr-climate-biodiversity-nexus >> >> This article titled ?Invest in techno capacity to avoid ?data colonialism? in AI? published in University World News might be of interest. Details at >> Details at https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20231119194849787 >> >> Sabina Leonelli?s new paper, published in the Harvard Data Science Review, sets out a powerful and timely vision for Environmental Intelligence as an alternative framework to dominant models of AI. One that centres human values, environmental stewardship, and socially responsible innovation. Details at https://ethicaldatainitiative.org/2025/12/05/beyond-bias-and-fairness-why-environmental-intelligence-is-the-next-frontier-for-ethical-data/ >> >> Best wishes >> >> Suchith >> >> Professor Suchith Anand >> Professor of Practice in Science Policy | Senior Adviser to Governments and International Organisations | Scientist | Global Citizen | Science Diplomacy | SDG Volunteer and Advocate >> https://spspa.exeter.ac.uk/people/profile/index.php?username=sa1131 >> https://ethicaldatainitiative.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This message is a friendly reminder that OSGeo maintains a blog aggregator for community members who write about Geospatial and Open Source topics. http://planet.osgeo.org/ The OSGeo Planet offers its content in unified [RSS][1] and [Atom][2] feeds that you can consume in many different ways[3]. The OSGeo website features the Planet's content in the [Community News section][4], which also functions as an archive containing around 5000 entries dating back to 2017. We welcome new citizens! Contact us at planet at osgeo.org with your name, blog URL, feed URL, and a 80x80 head or logo image. For more details, visit the [wiki][5]. Come and get on board! 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At the University of Exeter we?re supporting this momentum through events that bring people and ideas together, including: Machine Learning for Earth Observation (ML4EO) Conference | 22?24 June 2026 https://ml4eo.org Environmental Intelligence (EI) Conference | 7?9 September 2026 https://www.environmentalintelligence2026.org/ These conferences bring people together to share ideas, build partnerships, and advance solutions for a more resilient future. Best wishes Suchith > > > From: "Anand, Suchith via GeoForAll" > Subject: Re: [Geo4All] Environmental Intelligence > Date: 19 April 2026 at 11:52:20 BST > To: "geoforall at lists.osgeo.org" > > > Dear colleagues, > > The Ethical Data Initiative (EDI) held its large-scale annual Town Hall Meeting on 12 March, 2026 at the TUM Think Tank at the Technical University of Munich (TUM). This multi-stakeholder event served as a vital touchstone for our global community to reflect on our progress and co-create the roadmap for the year ahead. > > The event concluded with a powerful keynote from Hop Hopkins and Jane Anderson of Local Contexts . Their work addresses the chronic problem of digital colonialism ? the historical and ongoing extraction of indigenous knowledge without consent or attribution.Through their innovative system of Traditional Knowledge and Biocultural Labels and Notices, Local Contexts provides a tool for indigenous communities to reassert their cultural authority over data sitting in global repositories. ?Colonialism is a structure, not an event,? Professor Anderson noted, explaining how their metadata interventions (such as those at the Library of Congress) are changing the very ?plumbing? of institutional data systems. Hopkins encouraged the audience to view this not just as a technical fix, but as a radical social movement toward ?data back? and true reparations for the global majority. > > The full video recording of the keynote presentation is available at https://ethicaldatainitiative.org/2026/03/19/global-perspectives-on-data-justice-highlights-from-the-edi-townhall-2026/ > > More details of the excellent work of Local Contexts at > https://localcontexts.org > https://localcontexts.org/labels/about-the-labels/ > https://localcontexts.org/films/ > > The EDI Townhall slides can be found on the Ethical Data Initiative Zenodo Page > > Best wishes > > Suchith > > On 16 Apr 2026, at 19:56, Suchith Anand wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > This webinar recording from GEO Work Programme might be of interest. > > The Group on Earth Observations (GEO) is a partnership of more than 100 national governments and in excess of 100 Participating Organizations that envisions a future where decisions and actions for the benefit of humankind are informed by coordinated, comprehensive and sustained Earth observations. Details at https://earthobservations.org > > Earth observation data, combined with Indigenous governance and local knowledge, is key to stronger disaster resilience, climate adaptation and biodiversity stewardship. During the GEO Open House Webinar, James Rattling Leaf from the GEO Indigenous Alliance made a powerful case for reframing how we think about Earth observation and who it serves. James explained how the GEO Indigenous Alliance connects what satellites can detect and what communities on the ground experience. > > Watch James's presentation to learn more about the work of the GEO Indigenous Alliance > > The full event recording is at https://earthobservations.org/about-us/events/drr-climate-biodiversity-nexus > > This article titled ?Invest in techno capacity to avoid ?data colonialism? in AI? published in University World News might be of interest. Details at > Details at https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20231119194849787 > > Sabina Leonelli?s new paper, published in the Harvard Data Science Review, sets out a powerful and timely vision for Environmental Intelligence as an alternative framework to dominant models of AI. One that centres human values, environmental stewardship, and socially responsible innovation. Details at https://ethicaldatainitiative.org/2025/12/05/beyond-bias-and-fairness-why-environmental-intelligence-is-the-next-frontier-for-ethical-data/ > > Best wishes > > Suchith > > Professor Suchith Anand > Professor of Practice in Science Policy | Senior Adviser to Governments and International Organisations | Scientist | Global Citizen | Science Diplomacy | SDG Volunteer and Advocate > https://spspa.exeter.ac.uk/people/profile/index.php?username=sa1131 > https://ethicaldatainitiative.org > > _______________________________________________ > GeoForAll mailing list > GeoForAll at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/geoforall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: