<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Miguel,<div>No, the event is not yet closed. In fact, there's renewed interest after my previous email :-)</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>So to all: If the event will be on, it will be in the week of <b>16-20 June </b>since that has most people confirmed until now. I will remove the other options.</div><div>Don't hesitate to still sign up quickly.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jeroen</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 13, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Miguel Montesinos wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I agree with "there are tons of companies which are *exploiting* the GFOSS world itself, without giving anything or very little in return"<br><br>But I disagree with<br><br><blockquote type="cite">There are also other companies that strongly believe that an OS <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developer should ask for less money than any other non OS <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developers, or no money at all, because "he does that for the <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">community".<br></blockquote><br>Maybe people not working with OS may think that, but I think that people with some experience with OS thinks the opposite way. You need to have high-skilled abilities to understand core products in order to being able to adapt them, and that implies >= money than just using closed APIs.<br><br>Jeroen, is the event definitely closed? Two collegues from Prodevelop wanted to assist, but they haven´t signed in the wiki.<br><br>Miguel<br><br><br>---------------------------------<br>Miguel Montesinos<br>Director Técnico<br>PRODEVELOP<br>C/ Conde Salvatierra, 34 - 10<br>46004 Valencia. Spain<br>e-mail: <a href="mailto:mmontesinos@prodevelop.es">mmontesinos@prodevelop.es</a><br><a href="http://www.prodevelop.es">http://www.prodevelop.es</a><br>Tlf: +34 963510612<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Simone <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Giannecchini<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:24 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: cavallini@faunalia.it; OSGeo Discussions<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cc: gfoss<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [Gfoss] [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Last chance before <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cancelling: OSGeoHacking event in a monastry near Bolsena (Italy)!?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From my limited experience I can say that the number of GFOSS<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developers is not small, not at all; the problem is that GFOSS <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developers usually are quiet because they spend all the time <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">they have coding GFOSS software hence talking about what they <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">do is often considered a waste time (I am not supporting this <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">statement but that's what I have heard often..). I guess that, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to some extent, this is true for *any* software developer...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">IMHO, the limiting factor of the GFOSS is that there are tons <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of companies which are *exploiting* the GFOSS world itself, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">without giving anything or very little in return (IMHO saying <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"we use GFOSS software so we support it" is not the best form <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of support, but then again, it's a personal opinion). There <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">are also other companies that strongly believe that an OS <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developer should ask for less money than any other non OS <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developers, or no money at all, because "he does that for the <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">community".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I think that the ongoing discussion on Service Provider <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Prioritization should try to address these issues somehow.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Simone.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 12, 2008 6:31 PM, Paolo Cavallini <cavallini@faunalia.it> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Simone Giannecchini ha scritto:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Could you please explain what you mean to a "poor" OS developer?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">My feeling is that the number of available developers is small, and <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">cannot be easily raised by reasonable amounts of money (ok, with 12 <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">MEUR that's different...). I think there's an "availability <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pit": you <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">can find some productive developers willing to work for free/limited <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">additional resources/based on their own resources, you can also find<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(many?) productive developers if you have lots of money, but in the <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">middle there is a gap, so transition is not smooth.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It would be nice to model all this in a more formal way (I'm a <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">behavioural ecologist, after all...), but now these are just <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thoughts, <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">less than hypotheses.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">All the best.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">pc<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Discuss mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Eng. 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