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Mark,<br>
Yes I agree that OSGeo-Live also provides a good framework for the
periodic review of projects beyond incubation.<br>
<br>
What we have on our side is:<br>
1. A periodic release schedule<br>
2. A valuable business driver which attracts projects to continue to
work on OSGeo-Live (namely the marketing value of each release)<br>
<br>
We do have the potential to <b>gradually</b> introduce review of
incubation criteria into the OSGeo-Live release cycle.<br>
<br>
On 12/06/11 07:19, Mark Lucas wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:AC89B1F4-8239-4D60-ACE1-28FF339B869A@me.com"
type="cite">Cameron,
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<div>I like this approach. Extending the excellent work on the
OSGeo-Live disk can also be used as a metric for incubation of
our leading projects. Tyler and I had a really good discussion
in Denver a couple of weeks ago on how we might work towards
improving the sponsorship/funding efforts - giving us more
resources to move forward. More funding sponsors will be
critical to enhancing these types of projects.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Additionally, our group has been working with US government
agencies over the years encouraging them to adopt open source
geospatial solutions. The National Geospatial-Intelligence
Agency (NGA) is working an open source initiative that will be
announced at foss4g in Denver. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My opinion is that OSGeo has accomplished our initial goals
and it is time to start thinking about financially securing its
future. I look forward to discussing this further.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Mark Lucas</div>
<div>Principal Scientist<br>
RadiantBlue Technologies Inc.<br>
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<div>On Jun 11, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:</div>
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<div>I do believe that we as a community have the potential
to collaboratively build quality, comprehensive training
material, which will provide the key backbone required to
support comprehensive, internationally recognised
training.<br>
<br>
(I've already mentioned this to the education and discuss
email lists, as well as a few others).<br>
<br>
The idea:<br>
We already collaboratively build the OSGeo-Live DVD by
tapping into targeted expertise from a wide range of
domain experts.<br>
Packagers have written step by step instructions and
templates for packaging, and tech writers have provided
writing instructions and documentation templates, which
are followed by application developers. Once developers
have finished, the installers and documents are passed
back for review.<br>
<br>
Why do applications contribute to OSGeo-Live? Because we
have built a highly valuable marketing pipeline,
(including translations, web pages and a DVD handed out at
conferences and workshops). This pipeline is available
with a relatively low amount of effort.<br>
<br>
We can extend this OSGeo-Live build process to also
include the development of consistent training
documentation.<br>
It requires:<br>
* educators to create writing guidelines and a template on
how projects should write training material.<br>
* This is to be provided to developers to fill out.<br>
* We then need a technical writer / educator to review all
provided material<br>
* All this needs to be coordinated<br>
* And we need supporting wiki style tools and
infrastructure to be put in place<br>
<br>
This is actually very achievable, but is a bit more than a
volunteer can typically take on as a hobby activity, and
so I believe that a key to the success is also a funding
sponsor.<br>
<br>
I have quite a bit more to say on this, but will keep it
brief for the moment.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/06/11 00:13, Phillip Davis wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Charles, the GeoTech Center will
be at FOSS4G this September offering the following
workshops:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">1. FOSS4G for Educators (Monday)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">2. GTCM Course Development
(Tuesday)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">3. Remote Sensing DACUM
(Wednesday-Thursday)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">to promote two goals: a) FOSS4G
for higher ed and b) alignment of geospatial industry
needs and academic GIS program curriculum. Our ongoing
effort is the help higher education better align with
the new Dept. of Labor's Geospaital Technology
Competency Model (GTCM). You can see our work on
building SCORM-compliant, GTCM-aligned course packs with
curriculum modules here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.geotechcenter.org/Education-Training/GTCM-Faculty-Development-Workshop-Summer-2011">http://www.geotechcenter.org/Education-Training/GTCM-Faculty-Development-Workshop-Summer-2011</a>.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">In regards to certification, we
fully support the GISCI's effort in improve their GISP
certification with a competency-based exam, something
they've committed to doing last week, over the next
three years. Researchers with GeoTech assisted the
GISCI working group that investigated the question over
the past 18 months, offering our extensive research into
the precise skills required by GIS technicians (and now
Remote Sensing Specialist). You can view this research
here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.geotechcenter.org/Resources/Publications">http://www.geotechcenter.org/Resources/Publications</a>.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Finally, we would like to offer
our SCORM-compliant, GTCM-aligned course packs for OSGeo
to help us vet and eventually disseminate beginning next
May, 2012 when the results of our 2011 workshops have
been properly vetted and created. The Center would
offer to sit with yourself and the OSGeo board at the
forthcoming FOSS4G to discuss collaboration.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Phil Davis<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Director and PI<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">________________________________________<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:edu_discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">edu_discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:edu_discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">edu_discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On Behalf Of
Charlie Schweik [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cschweik@pubpol.umass.edu">cschweik@pubpol.umass.edu</a>]<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:31
AM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cc: OSGeo-edu<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: [OSGeo-Edu] Re:
[OSGeo-Discuss] Training and certification<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I'm not going to weigh in on the
certification question -- I don't<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">understand the companies out there
doing training and the issues raised<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">by Cameron and others. Apologies
in advance for a long posting.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">But I find myself puzzling about
how this is linked to universities (our<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">edu group) and the discussions
about more formal relationships with<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">universities. I teach in an
Environmental Conservation department and<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">also in a Public Policy and
Administration program. I sometimes have<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">undergrad and grad students
interested in going beyond the traditional<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">"Intro to GIS" course, and would
love to be able to somehow offer a more<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">advanced course that would utilize
open source technologies and<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">especially training on web-based
GIS (currently we have none in our<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">curriculum). Or "enterprise-level"
desktop GIS that might be utilized in<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">small local government settings
(that often do not have GIS because of a<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">lack of staffing) -- like small
"hilltowns" in Western Massachusetts, or<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">local governments in developing
world contexts. Right now we offer both<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Intro to GIS courses using ArcGIS
and also desktop open source, but we<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">don't have the ability to teach
the next level -- an enterprise GIS or<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">web-based GIS.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">The other thing I am seeing is a
movement away from standard lecture<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">format to one where the prof might
use YouTube videos or other open<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">access content outside of class
and then use class time to be more<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">hands-on. Also there is a push at
our university to try and use more<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">open access educational material
to help reduce the costs of textbooks<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and coursepacks on students.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">This leads me to my questions
regarding training and this discussion.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">1) How can we collectively act and
utilize the expertise within OSGeo<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">software groups and other
affiliates to develop a set of training<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">material that could be connected
to university classes? Could people on<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">this list with expertise develop
"modules"? Could we develop,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">collectively, workbooks along with
data and exercises that we<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">instructors could use? If there
are people out there willing to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">contribute to this idea, who are
you and what kind of material would you<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">be willing to contribute? For
example, I would love to get some students<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">learning how to use technology
like OpenLayers or other web-based GIS<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">technologies, but I don't have
those skills so would want to offer a<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">"group independent study" under my
direction, where students could try<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and learn these kinds of
technologies on their own and together, under<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">my direction and with the support
of this OSGeo network.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">2) Would it be possible to develop
a network of classes in affiliated<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">institutions that are all teaching
the same content in parallel, and<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">perhaps all using one Moodle
course hosted by OSGeo? In other words,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">have face-to-face classes running
in parallel on several universities<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">during the same time frame (e.g.,
Sept-December or January-May) where<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">these classes are meeting
face-to-face but then we have the ability to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">tie expertise and he classes
together via Moodle or maybe hold some<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">webinars by technical experts that
all classes in all universities<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">(timezones will be an issue here)?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">This would at least work for
universities in locations where they have<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">decent Internet connection. But
the idea might be the start of the<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">content for a proposal to
educational funding agencies or<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">foundations.... and I greatly
appreciate the approach Cameron has done<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">for the Free DVD in terms of
having an editor who coordinates these<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">things. Some proposal for funding
would need to put forth that model.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I hope these ideas are helpful and
not noise....<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cheers<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Charlie Schweik<br>
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