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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Anthony and others in the OSGeo
Education space.<br>
<br>
Anthony,<br>
It seems your email is not getting through to our email lists,
which is probably because you are not subscribed. I suggest doing
so here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/edu_discuss">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/edu_discuss</a><br>
<br>
All,<br>
See Anthony's response below.<br>
This email thread was started on the OSGeo Discuss list, but
please continue on the edu-discuss list. In responding to this
email, please drop the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a> in response (and
subscribe to the edu-discuss if you wish to follow along).<br>
<br>
Anthony,<br>
There have been quite a bit of discussion on our edu-discuss list
about MOOCs, and so your course and what you have learned so far
is very relevant to all of us.<br>
<br>
The part of MOOC development which personally interests me
(extending from my involvement in OSGeo-Live) is how to develop a
process for maintaining and extending MOOC courses. In particular,
from within the 30,000 students attending your course, there is
likely to be many with excellent ideas for improvements. How do
you capture such ideas, and at the same time retain the single
focus and simplicity core to good educational material? How do you
ensure that your material is updated whenever software is updated?
How can your training material be retasked for a different
audience (eg for primary school students)? Then once you have
multiple courses all based upon the same core material, how do you
ensure they all get updated together?<br>
<br>
These are questions we have working on when generating
documentation for OSGeo-Live, which I've described here:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html">http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html</a><br>
<br>
With regards to some of your other points, I'll be interested to
hear responses from the Educators within the OSGeo community. (I'm
better described as a Software Developer, Technical Writer and
Coordinator).<br>
<br>
On 30/06/13 03:20, ANTHONY C ROBINSON wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Cameron,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
really appreciate you touching base with me about this and
sharing your discussions on my MOOC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
hadn’t yet seen the OSGeo-Live site or packages – this is
great to know about and I will change my instructions in the
class to point to these resources instead of the
piece-by-piece approach I’d been taking with respect to
highlighting various open source geo-efforts. While students
in the class will use ArcGIS Online for 4 of the 5 lab
assignments, for the final lab assignment I have created a
tiered-approach with multiple options to hopefully encourage
some of the most eager/tech savvy students to try out
platforms like QGIS, GRASS, etc… <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
aware of some OS community angst about my selection of AGOL
for doing most of the labs in the course. I’ve worked for 10
years in the GeoVISTA Center, a GIScience research center
that has been very active in developing open source systems
for geovisualization and geocomputation. In addition, I lead
Online Geospatial Education programs at Penn State, which to
my knowledge represent the only Geography programs that
provide Open Educational Resources for nearly all of its
online courses (open.ems.psu.edu). So the clear value and
innovation associated with all things open is not lost on
me, and I recognize that there are some important
considerations to be had with having MOOC students use a
commercial platform. I won’t answer all of them here ( and I
would never claim to be an infallible decision maker), but
it may be helpful to understand some of the motivation for
this course and its design:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
class is designed for people who may use maps but have never
made their own. It is not designed to teach GIS
pros/academics something new. It’s designed to encourage new
geospatial people to emerge; to rethink maps and what they
can do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
is not designed to train people to use GIS software. The
focus is on understanding the most basic things about
Geography and Mapping. It functions much like a 1 credit
zero-level class that we might teach here on campus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
MOOC on Coursera typically reaches at least 30,000 people in
its first run (mine will be no exception) and includes
60-75% of its students from outside the United States.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
chose a mapping platform that my Grandpa could realistically
use (he’s signed up for the class) in the first week of the
class, and that would not require anything to be downloaded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Esri
is providing technical support in the course forums to
ensure that nothing blows up and that problems are very
quickly remedied. No money is associated at all with this
relationship, and I approached them first because my former
boss, David DiBiase, directs their education team and I knew
he would understand what I did and did not want in terms of
a partnership. I know they get a bad rap quite often
(frequently for good reason) but I have to say that every
part of this cooperation has been on my terms and excellent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There
are absolutely great ways to re-imagine this type of course
with purely open source stuff driving lab assignments.
Nothing would make me happier than to see the OsGeo
community develop a second version of this class with
different ways to complete the labs. I think that would be
awesome. If I can be useful toward that end, please let me
know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
very interested in any advice folks can give me about the
best ways to share the content I’ve developed for this
course. Coursera doesn’t make it easy for me to export the
whole thing into a reusable package. We use Drupal here in
our PSU programs to provide content, so my thought is to try
and convert everything to that CMS and provide it in that
manner. Others have suggested using GitHub, but I want to
avoid simply uploading a pile of PDFs and Videos and
assuming that that would be “good enough.” Everything in the
class will be offered under a CC non-commercial license at
any rate – like our other open courseware at PSU.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
also can’t imagine that there would only ever be one MOOC on
Mapping. That’s crazy. There ought to be just as many as we
see now for various CompSci and Engineering topics. I’m very
excited to share everything I learn from this experience,
comparing it to how we develop other online courses (we
offer ~25 here and I have 5 years of teaching geospatial
stuff online), and considering the meaning of “open” when it
comes to such things. I would agree with many critics that
MOOCs themselves are not necessarily as “open” as they
perhaps should be. Most of the big platforms (Coursera
included) are trying to figure out a revenue stream from
this stuff, for example, and as I’ve mentioned they
definitely don’t make it easy to repurpose things elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
class is 99% ready to go and opens on July 17<sup>th</sup>.
I would be very happy to hear any and all feedback
(including, if you think its warranted, that I am a colossal
idiot) once it’s launched. Each week for five weeks a new
lesson will roll out, with video lectures, lots of
written/graphical content, lab assignments, and discussions
on things like geospatial privacy, the impact of social
media on mapping, etc… At the bare minimum it is very
exciting to imagine what tens of thousands of people will do
when they make their first maps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">TL:DR
– I’ll definitely point to the live.osgeo resources and
making a MOOC is complicated but I am very eager to share
what I learn. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Anthony<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anthony
C. Robinson, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lead
Faculty for Online Geospatial Education, John A. Dutton
e-Education Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Assistant
Director, GeoVISTA Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Department
of Geography<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
Pennsylvania State University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.personal.psu.edu/acr181/">www.personal.psu.edu/acr181/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Cameron Shorter [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 28, 2013 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Robinson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rick Smith; Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas; OSGeo
Discussions; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:edu_discuss@lists.osgeo.org">edu_discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Maps and the
Geospatial Revolution from Jul 17th 2013 at Coursera<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Anthony,<br>
As per emails below, you can see that people have been
talking about your "Maps and the Geospatial Revolution"
course within the Open Source Geospatial communities.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of the OSGeo-Live USB/DVD/Virtual Machine?<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://live.osgeo.org">http://live.osgeo.org</a><br>
OSGeo-Live provides a distribution of 50 of the best
Geospatial Open Source applications all preinstalled and
configured with sample data, ready for use in courses such
as yours. It also includes Project Overviews and Quickstarts
for all these applications: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html">http://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html</a><br>
<br>
I'm CCing the OSGeo Education email list, which are also
doing great things. In particular, they have been building
up a network of Open Source Geospatial Labs within
Universities around the world.<br>
<br>
On 28/06/2013 10:50 PM, Rick Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Myself and two colleagues are currently
running a (mini)MOOC on geospatial technology. We are
using QGIS for two of the labs and indiemapper for two of
the labs We chose QGIS because we wanted to keep the
'Open' in MOOC truly open. indiemapper is not open
source, but it is free to use and there is no push for
signing up for accounts or paying for services, so we
think maybe it is little 'o' open :) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, if interested, view <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://catalyst-academy.org/course/geospatial-tech-for-stemx-learning/">http://catalyst-academy.org/course/geospatial-tech-for-stemx-learning/</a>
and you can sign up for free at: <b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://webmail.tamucc.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=AC1eOI7a4kWyYoJN_gLUyI_cUUyQR9AI-WUGtL9ubS9qdamfDQFC_PqgbX6eM1v-Oy6o2IM0nd8.&URL=https%3a%2f%2fcanvas.instructure.com%2fenroll%2fKK6JML"
target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">https://canvas.instructure.com/enroll/KK6JML</span></a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-Rick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:25 AM,
Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jsanz@osgeo.org" target="_blank">jsanz@osgeo.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 28
June 2013 01:45, Mateusz Loskot <<a
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> Folks,<br>
><br>
> I thought there may be interest here:<br>
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> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.coursera.org/course/maps"
target="_blank">https://www.coursera.org/course/maps</a><br>
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> --<br>
> Mateusz Loskot, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for sharing<br>
<br>
It's funny that this course relies only on a privative
online mapping<br>
platform, with the massive amount of free software and
data resources<br>
for learning available out there. I'd love to see a
Coursera/or any<br>
other MOOC using OSGeo Live!!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
--<br>
Jorge Sanz<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://es.osgeo.org"
target="_blank">http://es.osgeo.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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