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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Bart,<br>
<br>
what I have in mind is the following (but for sure not the only
possible way):<br>
- have a well-defined membership status (registered on OSGeo list,
paid membership, whatever other criterion)<br>
- have 2 rounds of election:<br>
* everybody (=members, or even outsiders) can suggest anybody
from membership (ie, members "in good standing", such as fees
paid, if applicable)<br>
* from that list, membership elects with simple majority<br>
- elected seats are valid until next election (maybe 2 years, to
decrease the election effort required)<br>
- accepted and incubating projects get one extra seat each,
reflecting the impact OSGeo is exercising on them. However, these
should always be (strictly) less than 50% of the overall seats so
that projects alone can never dominate over the group of elected
persons.<br>
<br>
So this above is a brief sketch, attempting to accommodate:<br>
- democracy, opennness, inclusiveness<br>
- the perceived need to have projects represented<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
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On 06/30/2014 09:27 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:<br>
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Hey Peter,
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<div>so what would be your suggestions to make the process more of
the 4 bullet points you mentioned?</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Bart</div>
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<div>On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:24, Peter Baumann <<a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cameron & all,<br>
<br>
a lot of serious, involved work is going on on this
thread; however, some core issues which I tried to
phrase, but Steven (Feldman) expressed much crisper,
still remain unaddressed by the currently voted
proposal:<br>
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<ul>
<li>Inclusiveness</li>
<li>Democracy</li>
<li>Growth</li>
<li>Openness</li>
</ul>
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The proposal as it stands is in high danger of
establishing a self-sustaining oligarchy. <br>
<br>
I am concerned that a body that claims to have
international impact (through project branding) high
responsibility must be exercised in terms of
transparency, openness, and democratic principles. <br>
<br>
-Peter<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 06/29/2014 10:26 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53B07670.5000608@gmail.com"
type="cite"> OSGeo board,<br>
In the interests of making a decision such that
Jorge Salinas (our CRO) can move forward, I propose
the following process be followed for voting new
charter members in 2014:<br>
<br>
1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter
member(s) (as before).<br>
<br>
2. Charter members then vote (in/out) nominated
charter members. This will be different to prior
years, as we previously voted in a fixed number of
members for a larger selection pool. (eg vote in 20
people from a list of 30). For this year, I propose
we have a "Yes/No" vote. Ie, if we have a list of 30
candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote
Yes or No against each candidate. Each candidate
with greater than 50% of YES votes will be included
as new charter members.<br>
<br>
3. Charter members would be guided to select
candidates who fit the "Positive Attributes for
Charter Members" as defined here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a><br>
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4. There will be no limit to the number of new
charter members who can be selected. This will
require an update of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process</a><br>
<br>
5. Note: This vote is being put to the board and not
to charter members as I don't wish to complicate
this decision by adding a 2nd (positive) idea for
change. We can address getting charter members to
vote on issues as a separate motion.<br>
<br>
Board members, can you please all vote on above:<br>
<br>
+1 Cameron<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/06/2014 9:31 pm,
Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53AAB2F7.4040607@gmail.com"
type="cite"> Following the community discussion, I
further researched OSGeo's foundation documents,
(in retrospect I should have done this earlier).<br>
<br>
Of particular relevance to current discussion is
our ByLaws:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html">http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html</a><br>
<i>Section 7.1. Admission of [Charter] Members. An
initial group of up to forty-five (45) persons
shall be admitted as the initial [charter]
members of the corporation upon the affirmative
vote of the Board of Directors of the
corporation. Thereafter, to be eligible for
[charter] membership, a person must be nominated
by an existing [charter] member of the
corporation pursuant to a written document in
such form as shall be adopted by the Board of
Directors from time to time. The nomination must
be included in a notice to the [charter] members
at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting
at which the [charter] members will vote on the
applicant’s admission. Proposed [charter]
members shall be admitted upon the affirmative
vote of the members of the corporation.</i><br>
<br>
This section implies that the proposal below of
automatically accepting "Recognised OSGeo
Community Leaders" is unconstitutional, as charter
members need to be voted into the role by existing
charter members.<br>
<br>
It also implies that while a separate paid
membership category could be created, paid members
would still need to be voted into a charter member
role by existing charter members.<br>
<br>
The ByLaws don't mention limiting the number of
new charter members. This criteria seems to have
been introduced as a Membership Process by the
26th Board meeting:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process</a><br>
<i>The number of new members will be between 10%
and one third of the existing charter membership
count as decided by the board</i>.<br>
<br>
Such a statement created by the board, could be
updated by the board, and as such the board could
agree to accept an unlimited number of new charter
members.<br>
<br>
So I'm now thinking that our election process can
be simplified to:<br>
<br>
1. Charter member to nominate potential new
charter member(s)<br>
2. Charter members then vote (in/out) against all
nominated charter members<br>
A suitable criteria for determining whether a
nominee qualifies is listed here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes</a><br>
4. Nominees with a majority of votes are included
as new Charter Members<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/06/2014 9:52
am, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:539CE03F.8010005@gmail.com"
type="cite"> Within 2 weeks we intend to start
our annual process for selecting new OSGeo
charter members.<br>
<br>
In previous years the Charter Member selection
process has been a little contentious. We
typically receive numerous nominations from high
caliber members of our community, and
insufficient positions to accept them all. This
typically results in unnecessary disappointment
and dissent.<br>
<br>
In response, the OSGeo board has agreed to trial
tweaking the voting process. The aim is to
automatically accept recognised OSGeo community
leaders, while continuing with our existing
process which attracts the many valuable
community members who contribute in other ways.
Community comments are encouraged, and will be
considered over the next week.<br>
<br>
<b>Design guidelines:</b><br>
<br>
* We want a process which is simple to
understand and implement.<br>
* We want a process which encourages recognised
OSGeo community leaders to become OSGeo charter
members, while continuing to accept members from
the many other valuable OSGeo roles.<br>
* We want a process which is difficult to abuse.<br>
* For the first iteration, we should err on
being more selective in our criteria, with
potential widening of selection criteria in
future years.<br>
<br>
<b>Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders</b><b><br>
</b><br>
OSGeo aims to provide OSGeo Charter Membership
to all recognised OSGeo community leaders who
are nominated. Hopefully, sufficient positions
are available. If there are more candidates than
available, then membership will be allocated to
the first to be nominated. Remaining nominees
will be automatically offered to go through the
standard voting process.<br>
Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders are defined
as people who have been <b>voted</b> into a
position of authority within official OSGeo
projects and committees, where the voting
community includes at least 3 OSGeo charter
members.<br>
<br>
Acceptable roles are currently limited to:<br>
* Project Steering Committee member of a
Graduated OSGeo Project<br>
* Chair of Official Local Chapter<br>
* Chair of an OSGeo committee<br>
<br>
The application process for recognised OSGeo
Community Leaders is the same as for other
nominees.<br>
<br>
Full text of our processes are at:<br>
* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process_2014</a><br>
* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014</a><br>
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26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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Software and Data Solutions Manager
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26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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