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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Cameron, this really helps!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I made a small adjustment so that all suggested option now have there advantages listed first, followed by their disadvantages. Makes it a bit more neutral.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Personally I would leave out the "voting" sections in this stage (comments are OK). Just listing the options, advantages & disadvantages seems enough for now. By the time the're sort of complete, the votes may enter the stage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(just a thought, I kept the votings in the wiki page anyway)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gert-Jan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Van:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>Namens </b>Cameron Shorter<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 19 september 2014 14:43<br><b>Aan:</b> Steven Feldman<br><b>CC:</b> <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>; conference; OSGeo-Board<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ok, first draft of wiki page is here:<br><a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014</a><br><br>Please feel free to improve the text, or insert your comments / votes.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19/09/2014 6:14 pm, Steven Feldman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Am I the only person who finds it difficult to follow a thread in a mailing list where postings get repeated continuously as the thread is replied to (let alone our tendency to post across several lists - mea culpa)? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dare I suggest that we seek a simpler and clearer forum for this discussion? I’m not suggesting abandoning the lists just using a better tool for a discussion in which we want to engage a lot of people.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>______</span></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><span class=apple-style-span>Steven</span><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:37, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to<br>get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and<br>structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google<br>forms<br><br>Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future,<br>but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has "some"<br>functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing,<br>what we want to do?<br><br>J<br><br>2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">bartvde@osgis.nl</a>>:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hey Jachym,<br><br>wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to<br>"professionalize" FOSS4G organising?<br><br>And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ?<br><br>Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use<br>that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good<br>questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail<br>and worked on by multiple people IMHO.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Bart<br><br>On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky <<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO<br>more valuable output<br><br>?<br><br>J<br><br>Send from cellphone<br><br>--<br>Jachym Cepicky<br>e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>URL: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>GPG: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br><br>Give your code freedom with PyWPS -<a href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><br><br>On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future,<br>with sections that people can add comments into.<br>I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours.<br><br>On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:<br><br>Dear All<br>I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking<br>themselves what it is happening.<br>Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has<br>happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members<br>vote.<br>Maria<br><br><br><br>Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano<br><br>Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data<br>collection<br><br><a href="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF">http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF</a><br><br><br><br>ISPRS WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications" -<br>Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET<br>Scientific Commitee Member<br><br><br><br>Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA)<br>Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321<br>e-mail1: <a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a><br>e-mail2: <a href="mailto:prorettrice@como.polimi.it">prorettrice@como.polimi.it</a><br><br><br><br>________________________________<br>Da: <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a> per<br>conto di Margherita Di Leo <a href="mailto:diregola@gmail.com"><diregola@gmail.com></a><br>Inviato: giovedě 18 settembre 2014 10.13<br>A: Jachym Cepicky<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss@lists.osgeo.org></a>; conference; osgeo-board List; Steven<br>Feldman<br>Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members<br><br>Dear All,<br><br>On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky<br><a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"><jachym.cepicky@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Just noting,<br><br>discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here<br>since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it<br>(actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo<br>.. or LocationTech.<br><br>It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly)<br>developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this<br>case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now<br>we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole<br>community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big<br>organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future<br>for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.<br>If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the<br>topic, here i can offer my 2 cents..<br>It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the<br>elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed<br>the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another<br>thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe)<br>not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is<br>being called to express their opinion. What does it mean "to cooperate" and<br>what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case<br>cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event<br>at stake here?<br><br>Thanks for any pointers<br><br><br>--<br>Best regards,<br><br>Dr. Margherita DI LEO<br>Scientific / technical project officer<br><br>European Commission - DG JRC<br>Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES)<br>Via Fermi, 2749<br>I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261<br><br>Tel. +39 0332 78 3600<br><a href="mailto:margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu">margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a><br><br>Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not<br>in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the<br>European Commission.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br><br><br><br>--<br>Cameron Shorter,<br>Software and Data Solutions Manager<br>LISAsoft<br>Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br>26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br><br>P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>-- <br>Jachym Cepicky<br>e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>URL: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>GPG: <a href="http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp">http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp</a><br><br>Give your code freedom with PyWPS - <a href="http://pywps.wald.intevation.org">http://pywps.wald.intevation.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Cameron Shorter,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Software and Data Solutions Manager<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>LISAsoft<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099<o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>