If you would like to take this one on Cameron it would be great. As indicated earlier it is worth grounding out our service providers page to acknowledge those who participate and take on roles of responsibility.<br><br>I do not mind about the low/high capital discussion - I expect the foundation to act within its available budget (money) and good will (influence with participants). Money is "just" a force multiplier for our volunteers and I do not want to see it act as too much of a distraction from all the good work we have ahead of us. Reaching out to sponsors should focus on this aspect of our organization and enable us all to do more. <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:19 PM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div><expanding this conversation to the
OSGeo Discuss list><br>
<br>
Hi Jody,<br>
You make valid points about different levels of contribution.<br>
They are equally valid for the OSGeo-Advocate page too.<br>
My key point is that we should use consistent taxonomy (terms)
between different lists, so that it is easy for people to mix and
match information between different sources. If need be, we
potentially should be updating the terms used on the
OSGeo-Advocate list to match terms used for OSGeo Sponsorship.<br>
<br>
I think that your struggle identifying sponsorship levels is
probably systematic of something we have not fully acknowledged.<br>
<br>
<b>Namely, we within Open Source communities such as OSGeo value
people's time more than we value money.</b><br>
<br>
OSGeo people and companies contribute huge amounts of time into
OSGeo projects, which is significantly more valuable to us than
financial sponsorship. This time is usually given freely by
individuals, from their spare time, or given freely by companies,
who have worked out a way to give code back to open source code
bases as part of paid work.<br>
<br>
A typical OSGeo volunteer developer gives ~ $50,000 worth of their
time per year to OSGeo.<br>
(10 hrs/wk) * (50 wks/yr )* ($100/hr) = $50,000 p.a.<br>
<br>
I'd extend this further to suggest that we are a meritocracy, and
we trade on reputation. Reputation is earned through a
contribution of both time and the value of the advice given.<br>
<br>
What we are really looking for when discussing sponsorship levels
is a way to describe the reputation of our members to those
external to OSGeo.<br>
<br>
It doesn't feel quite right that a company can buy reputation
(through sponsorship), and in particular, get greater
acknowledgement and opportunities than someone who has worked hard
and built a personal reputation based on merit within the
community.<br>
<br>
With brings us back to the question of:<br>
Do we want to be a low capital or high capital organisation?<br>
<br>
Low capital = we trade on time and reputation, without much money
changing hands. For the most part, finances are handled externally
to OSGeo. I think this aligns with our natural DNA.<br>
<br>
High capital = first we chase sponsorship, then we hire people
into paid positions. It means we need to spend quite a bit of time
selling instead of developing, but it means we could pay for
things like travel of key staff. It is a commercial business
model, more closely aligned with how LocationTech has been set up.<br>
<br>
Both work. Both have advantages, but you can't have the best of
both no downsides.</div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><br>
<br>
On 22/11/2015 4:03 am, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
</div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<blockquote type="cite">Thanks for the archive link, does not quite capture
the level of project commitment I was trying to capture. There is
a vast difference between a contributor and committer. There is an
equally vast difference between a committer and a maintainer (who
has made an ongoing time commitment). <br>
<br>
For recognizing organizations we are focused o those who are
providing an ongoing commitment. Perhaps it would be best not to
have levels for this one and just list organizations who have made
such a statement.<br>
<br>
If anyone has other ideas here it would be great, we are trying to
figure out a way to acknowledge participating organizations based
on time (rather than just sponsorship which relies on money - and
can be an unjust measurement around the world ). </blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>On 21/11/2015 7:59 pm, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Hi Jody,<br>
Yes, I've raised a ticket with the OSGeo SAC to look into it.<br>
Seems the page is too big, or there is something about the syntax
on the page which doesn't work with the upgraded osgeo wiki.<br>
In the meantime, try the archive page here:<br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150302070905/http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20150302070905/http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles</a><br>
<br>
<div>On 21/11/2015 6:43 pm, Jody Garnett
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">The link you provided does respond? Is it correct
..</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>--</div>
<div>Jody Garnett</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 November 2015 at 02:16, Cameron
Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
<br>
On 20/11/2015 1:58 am, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> -
Leadership - project steering committee or similar
responsible for decision making<br>
- Maintainer - module maintainer, responsible for code
reviews, release, build server or some other aspect of
project health and happiness.<br>
- Committer - obtained commit permission on a project<br>
- Contributor - submitted functionality or fix that
passed code review and was included in a release<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span> Hi Jody,<br>
When selecting roles, I suggest aligning with the terms
used by the OSGeo Advocate page:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles</a><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Cameron Shorter,<br>
Software and Data Solutions Manager<br>
LISAsoft<br>
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,<br>
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br>
<br>
P <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205000" value="+61290095000" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5000</a>, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a></a>, F
<a href="tel:%2B61%202%209009%205099" value="+61290095099" target="_blank">+61 2 9009 5099</a><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Board mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a></blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<pre cols="72">--
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<pre cols="72">--
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a href="http://www.lisasoft.com" target="_blank">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
</div></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">--<div>Jody Garnett</div></div>