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                Please take me off this list! I don't know any of you, and have no idea how I was even placed on the list!<br><br><br><a href="https://yho.com/footer0">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br><br><p style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 0; margin-top: 0">On Friday, December 18, 2015, 9:37 AM, Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1@gmail.com> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div>+1 Steven</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This proposed solution can help keep the LOC going while others work out a proposal. Analysis-paralysis could hamstring our whole organisation for too long.<br><br>Vriendelijke groet,<div>Marc Vloemans</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>Op 18 dec. 2015 om 23:06 heeft Steven Feldman <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> It looks like we are going to need a privacy policy (data protection etc) and possibly a separate policy on email (the two are not the same).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think this something that Conference Committee can or should do. This is definitely one for the Board. I understand that this is an important issue for Maxi and perhaps some other board members so hopefully they can produce draft versions of the policies, publish them on the wiki and then invite comment from the wider community. I doubt this will be simple to resolve given the multiple jurisdictions and cultures that we encompass.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hopefully that can be completed in a couple of months but I recognise that these discussions can take a while. In the meantime perhaps including Ian’s simple draft text <i class="">"by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your details for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events.  You can unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the unsubscribe links provided.”</i> in our registration forms would be a good stop gap.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suggest that we continue to use MailChimp (because it has an unsubscribe capability) and we should avoid sharing any further contact details amongst ourselves or with external bodies until the new policies are in place. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class=""><div class="">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px;">______<br class="">Steven<br class=""><br class=""></span>

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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Dec 2015, at 09:40, Massimiliano Cannata <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">All,<div class="">I believe the point is not if it was nice or not to receive a message for being aware of events (that we will be aware in any case thanks to the social media and mailing lists) but rather if it is appropriate (or even legal?) perform these unsolicited mail campaign and the sharing of these data among person on private and non-regulated way.</div><div class="">We all know that having the data, it doesn't mean having the right to distribute it to 3rd party.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@Ian: I also don't think a single line of acknowledgement while registering cover the issue. </div><div class="">For instance your proposal of a "non-active OPT-IN" it seems to me not in line with the EU regulation discussed in these days here (but i'n not a lawyer):</div><div class=""><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20151217IPR08112/New-EU-rules-on-data-protection-put-the-citizen-back-in-the-driving-seat" style="font-size:12.8px;" class="">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20151217IPR08112/New-EU-rules-on-data-protection-put-the-citizen-back-in-the-driving-seat</a><br class=""></div><div class="">(thanks Helli for the link!)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I request, and will add in the next board meeting agenda, to have a deeper discussion and agreement at OSGeo level.</div><div class="">Because I think that the privacy protection is a matter larger then the FOSS4G only and is of concern to the whole OSGeo community as it may apply to several cases.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I feel that OSGeo shall define like for the Code of Conduct a Privacy Policy that applies all over the community and that members shall agree to follow when they participate in the community.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">my 0.1 cent,</div><div class="">Maxi</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-18 10:00 GMT+01:00 Ian Edwards <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:iedwards.pub@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">iedwards.pub@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I support Paul and Steven's approach (and thank them for their actions to help keep the community aware of events) -- but I think it's also certainly the case that there is always a set of people on our mailing lists who have a strong preference that their details are not shared in a way they do not agree to up front - In fact, I'm sure we would all include ourselves in this category as the type of "spam" we may receive becomes less relevant to our interests.<br class=""><br class="">Another way to reach a constructive outcome may be to discuss on the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Conference-Committee-f3721662.html" class="">conference <span class="">dev</span></a> list an update to the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Editing_this_document" class="">FOSS4G Handbook</a>/Cookbook with guidelines on opting out when submitting your details.  My preference would be a statement that does not require a lot of effort from our volunteer organisers, something like:<br class=""><br class=""></div>"by submitting your email address you consent to us sharing your details for the purpose of keeping you informed of future similar events.  You can unsubscribe from these communications at anytime using the unsubscribe links provided."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">===<span class="HOEnZb"><br class=""></span></div><span class="HOEnZb">Ian Edwards</span><div class=""><div class="h5"><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""><span class="">cameron</span>.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px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    Hi Maxi,<br class="">
    I love the constructive research that you have started here.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    Email privacy was not as topical when foss4g email lists started
    getting collected, and tracing technologies such as mail chimp were
    as assessable as mail chimp is now. So we are right to
    retrospectively develop our policy in this area.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    If you are up for it, I suggest following a similar process to what
    we did for getting the OSGeo Code of Conduct in place.<br class="">
    1. Research best practice policies. Find one that meets OSGeo
    community requirements (ideally addressing the majority of the ideas
    on this email thread)<br class="">
    2. Ideally find something that has been adopted and maintained as
    best practice among many organisations. (This is the Open Source
    Way).<br class="">
    3. Reference it, copy it verbatim, tweak it, or collate with other
    sources, (possibly into a wiki page)<br class="">
    4. Propose to OSGeo community for adoption. Collate feedback, tweak.<br class="">
    5. Have OSGeo adopt the policy.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    Warm regards Cameron<br class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <div class="">On 18/12/2015 4:26 am, Daniel Kastl
      wrote:<br class="">
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" class="">
      Hi,<br class="">
      <br class="">
      I wanted to share some thoughts, because I don't want that Maxi's
      concerns are buried under lots +1's, that "we are just doing our
      best for a successful FOSS4G". Maybe Maxi's initial email was a
      bit strong and contained the  "LocationTech" keyword ;-)<br class="">
      I don't think anyone (and for sure not Maxi) wants FOSS4G or OSGeo
      not to be successful, and nobody is against marketing. <br class="">
      <br class="">
      However doing something with good intent doesn't mean, that it's
      right, right?<br class="">
      If there is a privacy policy, we need to respect it and handle
      personal data (like email addresses) accordingly. If there is no
      privacy policy, we probably should have one, because there are at
      least a few countries I know, where not being able to opt-out or
      receiving unwanted emails can become a legal issue quickly (and
      cost money).<br class="">
      <br class="">
      I remember a few months ago the discussion about Code of Conduct,
      where some people thought, we don't need that, because we're
      well-educated and friendly people, respecting each other, etc.. A
      code of conduct wasn't something I cared about that time, because
      maybe it's not common in countries where I live. But I learned,
      that it's an important document for North American countries. And
      I think the privacy topic is a widely discussed issue in European
      countries, and we have some lessons learned about
      services/organizations trying to track us. <br class="">
      So that's maybe the reason, why some are not so happy to click an
      encrypted link with tracking ID (and whatever else). While I think
      you already get tracked, when you open the email and the
      transparent image gets loaded.<br class="">
      Speaking as a Japanese citizen, it's even seen as bad practice
      here to sent HTML emails, so almost every commercial email is text
      only with beautiful ASCII art and is really hard to look at.<br class="">
      <br class="">
      While reading this thread I had the following questions actually:<br class="">
      - Is the collected database of email addresses available on
      request for every local chapter?<br class="">
      - If a local chapter passes it to some third party organization
      (in this case LocationTech, but replace it with any other name),
      what happens with these addresses later? Are they now merged with
      the "LocationTech Tour" database or the whole Eclipse address
      pool, etc.?<br class="">
      - If I didn't open my email, because I'm not from North America,
      will I be removed from the database and future announcements?<br class="">
      <br class="">
      I think most email addresses collected from further events were
      for registration purpose. There is no way to register without
      giving OSGeo an email address.<br class="">
      And even if we won't harm anyone, we didn't ask those people, if
      they would like to opt-in for a newsletter-like service. <br class="">
      So I find it somehow OK (gray-zone) to use the existing address
      collection for marketing future global FOSS4G events (it's only
      once a year), but you need to understand that FOSS4G NA is a
      regional event, and that the emails probably haven't been filtered
      by region. If we continue this practice, will then every local
      FOSS4G be able to spread the word in the name of OSGeo using a
      collected address list of the past 10 years?<br class="">
      <br class="">
      Personally I think, that as a community we can do much better
      marketing than using MailChimp.<br class="">
      Maybe it's a good idea to add an opt-in form to FOSS4G
      registrations, where people can sign up for event announcements,
      even with regional preferences eventually?<br class="">
      <br class="">
      Best regards,<br class="">
      Daniel<br class="">
      <br class="">
      <br class="">
      <br class="">
      <div class="">On 18/12/15 01:09, Steven Feldman
        wrote:<br class="">
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite" class=""> +1,000,000 to what Paul has said
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">I also passed the FOSS4G 2013 list (which included
          names for 2011 and previous FOSSS4Gs) to the 2014 team in the
          spirit of fraternal support to future FOSS4Gs, I believe that
          was the right thing to do even though we neglected to have
          specific opt in/out option. No doubt they passed the extended
          list to 2015 and they have in turn shared with 2016. This is
          good not bad.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">We need to separate the animus towards LT from the
          apparent horror at the use of a ‘commercial’ service like
          MailChimp. Those of us who earn our living from Open Source
          Geo need to promote Open Source Geo and that means outreach to
          people who may not be followers of our mailing lists, so we
          need other channels. e-mail marketing is an established way of
          reaching potential FOSS4G participants, it is not evil, it
          probably isn’t spam (even if you haven’t opted in) as long as
          you provide an immediate opt out from further mail (which
          MailChimp does really well).</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">If LT are willing to allow us access to their
          large contact list, surely that is something we should say
          thank you for not complain about? We might want to ask
          ourselves why their list is so much larger than ours? We have
          a list of several thousand accumulated from previous FOSS4Gs,
          using MailChimp enables us to clean that list down to
          interested participants very efficiently by providing a simple
          opt out.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">There is no reason why we should not continue to
          maintain a growing list of people who have attended, sponsored
          or expressed interest in OSGeo/FOSS4G. The norm should be that
          you are opted in by default as a result of past interest but
          every mail provides the option to opt out.</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Evangelising Open Source Geo is IMHO immensely
          worthwhile. To do that you need to be a bit pushy while
          finding the right balance. </div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Let’s applaud our advocates, conference organisers
          and marketeers, not moan at them</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Apologies if this is a bit ranty (the first draft
          was way more ranty)</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">Peace and goodwill to everyone for the holiday
          season whatever your faith</div>
        <div class="">
          <div class=""> <span style="border-collapse:separate;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px;" class="">______<br class="">
              Steven</span></div>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
    </blockquote><div class=""><div class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <div class="">On 18/12/2015 6:28 am, Jody Garnett
      wrote:<br class="">
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for the productive discussion - some of those
      privacy policies seem to be website specific ( rather than for an
      organization as a whole ).<br class="">
      <br class="">
      We just are rebooting the webcom so the timing is good for a
      privacy discussion. It may be easier to start here and then branch
      out to project / committee email lists and a foundation wide
      policy. <br class="">
      <br class="">
      We have a different understanding of foss4g Maxi.<br class="">
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:08 AM Massimiliano
          Cannata <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>

          wrote:<br class="">
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
          <div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Gert, deal all,
            <div class="">after a few days of discussion I would like to sum up
              some considerations to re-focus to subject of my first
              e-mail and that in my opinion should led OSGeo foundation
              to at least one or two argument for discussion.</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">1- Some FOSS4G events made use of "aggressive"
              marketing strategies using mailing lists where the users
              didn't explicitly agree in being notified.</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">2- There are laws on privacy protection which are
              different  for different countries/region (this is
              explained for example at this resource, but I'm not a
              loyer: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp" class="">http://www.lsoft.com/resources/optinlaws.asp</a> )</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">3- OSGeo act globally and should be respectful as much
              as possible of all the existing rules</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">4- FOSS4G is the OSGeo's label of their Free and Open
              Source Software For Geospatial conferences</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">Said that each person or organization is responsible
              for its acts (and is free to behave as he/she/it prefer),
              I would like that OSGeo - and FOSS4G that is with no doubt
              recognized as an OSGeo event - act in respect of a well
              defined privacy protection policy with is </div>
            <div class="">as much protective of privacy as possible.</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">Example of Privacy Policy can be found for example in:</div>
            <div class="">- Apache foundation (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html" class="">http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html</a>) </div>
            <div class="">- Eclipse foundation (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php" class="">https://eclipse.org/legal/privacy.php</a>) </div>
            <div class="">- Debian (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/" class="">http://www.debianit.com/privacy-policy/</a>)<br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">- Software Freedom Conservancy (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/" class="">https://sfconservancy.org/privacy-policy/</a>)</div>
            <div class="">- OpenStack (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.openstack.org/privacy/" class="">https://www.openstack.org/privacy/</a>)</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">From a short reading all of them seems state that they
              do not pass information to third parties and do not use
              these information for sending newsletter unless explicitly
              agreed.</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">So, if I raised you attention to this hot topic and in
              the future people will be more sensitive and respectful of
              privacy when they act in the name of FOSS4G or OSGeo I'm
              1000% happy and accept any blame on me.</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="">Best regard,</div>
            <div class="">Maxi</div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class=""><br class="">
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br class="">
              <div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-15 23:38 GMT+01:00
                Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://osgeo.nl" class="">OSGeo.nl</a> <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gert-jan@osgeo.nl" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">gert-jan@osgeo.nl</a>></span>:<br class="">
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
                  <div lang="NL" class="">
                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">First: I took the opportunity to
                          change the subject of this thread to a less
                          shouting version (CAPS LOCK and spam live
                          side-by-side on my email-irritation-scale)</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Second: Funny to see how the use
                          of two different channels (mailing list vs.
                          MailChimp) kind of reflect the different
                          approaches to reach the -more of less- same
                          goal.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Any expanding organisation /
                          movement / community comes to a point where
                          the classical channels (like a mailing list)
                          reach their limits, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">and "new" marketing (yuch!
                          marketing==ugly & bad!) channels &
                          methods may help to stretch beyond borders.
                          Which comes at a cost (as Maxi tries to tell,
                          I guess).</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Food for thought for the Board
                          face2face meeting in January (and for the
                          entire community) to determine </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">- what our goals are</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">- what our values are</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">- and how these two compare to
                          each other.</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Kind regards, </span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class="">Gert-Jan</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);" lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                      <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> Discuss [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
                            <b class="">Namens </b>Rob Emanuele<br class="">
                            <b class="">Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 15 december 2015
                            21:51<br class="">
                            <b class="">Aan:</b> David Bianco<br class="">
                            <b class="">CC:</b> OSGeo Discussions<br class="">
                            <b class="">Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss]
                            FOSS4GNA - SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU :-o</span></p>
                      </div><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Hey David,</p>
                        <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">The emails on the mailing
                            list were cultivated by past FOSS4G NA
                            attendees, people opting in in other ways,
                            and from lists that were given by members of
                            this and last year's committee. If we're
                            spamming people who didn't opt in, it is not
                            intentional and apologies for the spam (the
                            world certainly doesn't need more spam).
                            We'll take a look at the list moving forward
                            to try to prevent from sending emails to
                            anyone who didn't opt in.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Rob</p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at
                            2:48 PM, David Bianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:me@davidbianco.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:me@davidbianco.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">me@davidbianco.net</a>>

                            wrote:</p>
                          <div class="">
                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I believe MailChimp
                                has policies against adding emails to
                                your list without a user's
                                authorization.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/" class="">http://mailchimp.com/legal/acceptable_use/</a></p>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div class="">
                                <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                </div>
                                <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 15,
                                    2015, at 10:16, Rob Emanuele wrote:</p>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" class="">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for
                                        pointing out that it wasn't yet
                                        posted to OSGeo-Discuss, I just
                                        posted it.</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">There's a
                                        one-click unsubscribe button
                                        from that mailing list, sorry
                                        for the spam!</p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec
                                          15, 2015 at 12:31 PM,
                                          Massimiliano Cannata <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank" href="javascript:return" class="">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a>>

                                          wrote:</p>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;" class="">
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Just a
                                              funny note...</p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Nice to
                                              see that LocationTech has
                                              a FOSS4G email (!!!!
                                              WOW!!!!!) </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="">
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">and..... </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">that
                                                all the link on the
                                                received e-mail are
                                                connected with my
                                                user_id (I have one?????
                                                Yes) </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">and.... </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">that
                                                they are tracked (!!!
                                                without inform me !!!) </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">and... </p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">that
                                                I have been added to a
                                                list that i'm not
                                                subscribed.... (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/" class="">http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/</a>)</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">But...</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Where
                                                did they get my e-mail
                                                from?</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">why
                                                thy didn't simply post
                                                the news to the
                                                discussion-osgeo list?</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">what
                                                do they want to track?</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">If
                                                  you want to see the
                                                  FOSS4G-NA without been
                                                  traced here is the
                                                  link <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/" class=""></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://2016.foss4g-na.org/" class="">https://2016.foss4g-na.org/</a></b></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">#SPAM
                                                #NOT-SO-FAIR
                                                #LIKE-MICROSOFT-THAT-SPY-ME
                                                #SCARY</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Maxi</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">--
                                                </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class="">Massimiliano

                                                          Cannata</span></b></p>
                                                  </div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:none;background-attachment:scroll;background-color:white;background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat repeat;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Professore
                                                      SUPSI in
                                                      ingegneria
                                                      Geomatica</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class=""></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:none;background-attachment:scroll;background-color:white;background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat repeat;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Responsabile

                                                      settore Geomatica</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class=""></span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:none;background-attachment:scroll;background-color:white;background-position:0% 0%;background-repeat:repeat repeat;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Istituto
                                                      scienze della
                                                      Terra</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class=""></span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%;" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;color:gray;" class="">Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e
                                                      design</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:gray;" class="">Scuola
                                                      universitaria
                                                      professionale
                                                      della Svizzera
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