I expect Patrick is looking more for social advocacy. Sprints are often devoted to the boring software development - that if we are lucky can enable so much more ...<br><br>OSGeo is a software foundation, so we will look into the depths of how software and their communities function and stay healthy. There is of course lots more good to do on the world - which is why we partner with other organizations. <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 7:57 AM Ian Turton <<a href="mailto:ijturton@gmail.com">ijturton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Patrick,<div><br></div><div>Again you are misunderstanding how sprints (at least in the GeoJava tribe) work - we plan for weeks (or months) before hand to make the most of the limited time we have with the developers all in the same room and time zone there is no brain storming at the event or quilting. We arrive with a plan and execute that plan. Others are welcome to participate from a remote location (as I did with the last GeoServer sprint) but there is inevitably less interaction when you are 8 hours out of phase with the participants.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd love to spend my days crafting new cathedrals but there isn't the demand from customers for that so mostly we work at incremental improvements to our existing code base. Every so often we can join together to throw up a new wing or (more often) fix the leaky roof that is annoying but that no one want's to pay to fix, which is where funding from the OSGEO comes in otherwise the code will just slowly rot until it all falls apart and the customers go back to being gouged by proprietary suppliers who can ignore the rot and just sell on the new shiny paint job.</div><div><br></div><div>Ian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 March 2016 at 15:40, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov" target="_blank">patrick.hogan@nasa.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The world needs a more peaceful approach to the future. That’s not what we have in a world that is rapidly disassembling, obviously with individual exceptions.
So yes, a portion of the real world necessarily operates with a high degree of chaos. And though it may appear the norm, it is not the condition we aspire to, nor one that most allows for wise decisions. Brainstorming ideas is certainly a different exercise
than the careful crafting required for long-standing solutions. I am suggesting we engender the more thoughtful approach, not surrender to the one of surviving chaos, given ‘your’ coding environment. I think of sprints as good for brainstorming, and yes, the
dynamic sharing of ideas is very important. But I still see it as a patchwork quilt, not the venue for accumulating a masterpiece. I realize the world is not simply made of masterpieces, but we need them, and we can do more to engender them. And of course
pursue with gusto, plenty of stimulating drinks and high moments of constructive exchange and recognized simpatico.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite different from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting (typical open source setup) has.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different customers a day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new modules/applications, meetings, and actual development, along with answering questions from my colleagues
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<p class="MsoNormal">During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity all day instead.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity I'd walk away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint<u></u><u></u></p>
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