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<div>Ian,</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">Yes, you are right. That sounds like a more constructive basis for engagement. It would be nice to see the history of 'sprint' success for reference. Even for sprints though, my thought is for a larger time-frame and more 'convenience-of-location,'
so that the sprint is not limited to just those who can attend. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">'Expanding' the sprint might be to define the specs and establish the award. This would get away from the 'sprint' mentality, which is not the best environment for substantial and quality coding. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints do not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will suggest that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus the more
intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo. </div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks much for your good words! Greatly appreciate the chance to talk about this. </div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">-Patrick</div>
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On Mar 6, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Ian Turton <<a href="mailto:ijturton@gmail.com">ijturton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Patrick, I think you are conflating Hackathons and code sprints - a hackathon is a random collection of cute assignments while Code Sprints are where a team (or teams) come together to achieve a goal that needs doing and is easier to solve when
a group of developers are in the same room. For example the recent GeoServer sprint that upgraded the version of wicket used in GeoServer which is not a sexy project that could be done incrementally by a single volunteer.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 March 2016 at 23:21, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov" target="_blank">patrick.hogan@nasa.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dirk,<br>
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In my opinion, a lot of energy is spent on these 'cute' assignments, equivalent to a big homework project. They do not represent 'real world' working scenarios and rarely produce anything of lasting value aside from the exercise, and the exercise itself doesn’t
even qualify as an environment for expanding skill sets.<br>
<br>
It is simply a sprint to an artificial finish line that disappears shortly after being crossed. It does not provide results that benefit the future, nor typically even expand the participants' skill set in any appreciable way. We've got millions of hours invested
in these isolated one-off events and millions of dollars, without much to show for it.<br>
<br>
The clock is ticking on this planet's ability to find a way collaborative way forward, while using our competitive instincts to achieve that. Encouraging a myriad of crazy races that end up with little that the future can use, seems a huge waste of opportunity
in applying these aspiring minds. They could have been contributing to something that is bigger than them, building real-world project-based teamwork skills, and facilitating results that the world not only needs, but can actually use.<br>
<br>
The Europa Challenge is trying to be just one example of that. If OSGeo were serious about supporting that, it would certainly have a very positive effect.<br>
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Wherever we choose to put our energy, it would be nice to see it encouraging real building-blocks and not just momentary muscle-flexing.<br>
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<div class="h5">From: Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne<br>
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:27 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:managementsupport@geosparc.com">managementsupport@geosparc.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints<br>
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Patrick,<br>
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You point to an interesting topic. I think there are several types of projects, and geomajas seems to be also in the category you describe.<br>
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It could be a good starting point for a discussion how we can best support OSGeo projects in general, and what should be the rules for the allocation.<br>
Code sprints are good for a project to have a lot of things done in a short time for one project, but learning to learn from different projects how they are working together and share ideas and fun could also be a good goal to help open source collaboration.<br>
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But if you want to allocate a budget for awards such as the Europa Challenge, this is a separate budget than the code sprint budget, so maybe this suit your goal better.<br>
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Dirk<br>
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On 02-03-16 18:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:<br>
> Maxi, Dirk and All,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k,<br>
> otherwise known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or hackathons.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made<br>
> available, please!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
><br>
> -Patrick<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *From:*Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] *On Behalf Of<br>
> *dirk frigne<br>
><br>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:23 AM<br>
><br>
> *To:*<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
><br>
> *Cc:*<a href="mailto:managementsupport@dfc.be">managementsupport@dfc.be</a><br>
><br>
> *Subject:*Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Maxi,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts:<br>
><br>
> Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for 2016.<br>
><br>
> (like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From past years the board can make a good assumption what the budget<br>
> for the strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these<br>
> activities for 2016. The second part can be allocated to new and<br>
> ad-hoc initiatives following a RFP.<br>
><br>
> (and in 2017 we can have several periods with RFP's so we can<br>
> instantiate a continue process).<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dirk<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 22-02-16 09:42, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> the fact that made me rise this discussion is:<br>
><br>
> - we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really<br>
> really great)<br>
><br>
> - we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the<br>
> requests)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a<br>
> very strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were<br>
> already spent?<br>
><br>
> Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of<br>
> selection so that all the projects are aware of this possibility and knows the rules?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> This was my concerns...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Maxi<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor <<a href="mailto:punk.kish@gmail.com">punk.kish@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:punk.kish@gmail.com">punk.kish@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)<br>
> <<a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov">patrick.hogan@nasa.gov</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov">patrick.hogan@nasa.gov</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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