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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Jonathan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the mentioned definitions concern software. The invention is NOT a software: logical location codes consist of hours, minutes and radius. This simple method allows to improve geoAwareness concerning the following elements:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Locations answer to the question “where?” instead of “here”, what3words, OpenLocationCode etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Directions answers to the question “whereto?” instead of just “there” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Distances the radius is the distance to the pole, minutes are the distance to the hour (the greater, the later)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Angles more than 50% of the population don’t know the meaning of “90 degrees” but 90% can read a clock <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This also allows a self-guiding WITHOUT MAPS like today’s self-guiding with house numbers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Does anybody see any software? The invention concerns IMAGINARY tools using the division of the horizon into 12 directions. Of course, these tools can only be free, open and libre.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Besides: the definition deciders have forgotten that symbolical fees are best practice. Even the unleashing of the entire invention could be a possibility, but why should I invest time on that if nobody lets me know that she/he cares about the benefits for the consumers and students? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In my opinion, the core of OSGeo is neither software nor maps but GeoAwareness. I propose to think about a branch called OpenImaginaryMaps (with a logo <a href="http://www.volksnav.de/OSGeoNewLogo">www.volksnav.de/OSGeoNewLogo</a> ?) where OSGeo would - for the first time and without any software –have the possibility to contribute with a free and open search grid, free and open location codes, free and open forgotten navigation methods with compasses etc. etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The contrary of nonsense is BonnSense. A matter for Bonn? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Henrique<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jonathan Moules [mailto:jonathan-lists@lightpear.com] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 17. August 2016 11:42<br><b>An:</b> Munich Orientation Convention<br><b>Cc:</b> discuss@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi Henrique,<br> > "Therefore: OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes."<br> <br> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I'm not sure that's a good take-home from the conversation so far.<br> The OSGeo appears to already have a pretty clear definition of what it considers free and open (from </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Open_Source"><span lang=EN-US>http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Open_Source</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> ) :<br><br> "Open source software is software where the source code is made available under a license that allows the modification, and re-distribution of the software at will."<br> <br> So while there are multiple interpretations and variations for "free" and "open", as far as I can see, if software isn't distributed under an OSI approved license (</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="https://opensource.org/licenses"><span lang=EN-US>https://opensource.org/licenses</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> ), it's not "free and open" for the purposes of the current definition as used by the OSGeo.<br> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Whether the OSGeo definition (or by extension the OSI one) is correct is a question that's beyond the scope of my reply. :-)<br><br>Cheers,<br>Jonathan<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id=1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>---- On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:00:38 +0100 <b>Munich Orientation Convention<</b></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:volksnav@volksnav.de"><span lang=EN-US>volksnav@volksnav.de</span></a></span></b><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>></span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> wrote ---- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 5.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello Brian,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>thank you for the confirmation that MOC isn’t (and shouldn’t be) free and open. Therefore: OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My last approach concerned ideas to the Geo Awareness Week, that means, for young consumers. A similar situation: adults decide about writing, publishing and buying books for children.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In Bonn there will a speech about free, open and libre. This shows that in some cases openmania could be the wrong way. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The site “free the post code” <a href="http://www.freeThePostCode.org" target="_blank">www.freeThePostCode.org</a> proves that even enigmatic post codes aren’t free, therefore universities etc. promote it (by unreflected use?). According to my surveys, nobody knows where is the N/S/E/W transition point ( the pole ! ) in London. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I also wrote to the National Geographic and I’m sure that Geo Awareness and open mind will overcome. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>One possibility could be to amputate the invention to a free and open torso for those who insist on saving EUR 1,- . Would this be of interest for OSGeo?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Henrique<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Brian M Hamlin<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 16. August 2016 21:29<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:Standards@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Standards@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Dear Colleagues -<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> I strongly object to this statement.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>" ... <span style='background:white'>t this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with... "</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> There are numerous references to cite here.. details on request<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>best regards from Berkeley, California<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> --Brian M Hamlin PSC OSGeo-Live, California Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>##===============================<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:46:38 +0000<br>From: <<a href="mailto:b.j.kobben@utwente.nl" target="_blank">b.j.kobben@utwente.nl</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:volksnav@volksnav.de" target="_blank">volksnav@volksnav.de</a>>, <<a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>,<br><<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:Standards@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Standards@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and<br>educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at<br>Geography Awareness Week<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:F9C56C51-86AA-4DE0-AA51-45C103098BDD@utwente.nl" target="_blank">F9C56C51-86AA-4DE0-AA51-45C103098BDD@utwente.nl</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Quote: " The license fee for educational purposes is symbolically EUR 1,- "<br><br>This implies there is also a (higher?) non-educational fee, and also means IMHO that this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with...<br><br>Yours,<br><br>--<br>Barend Köbben<br>Senior Lecturer – ITC-University of Twente<br>PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (Netherlands)<br>ITC Building (room 1-065)<br>@barendkobben<br>+31-(0)53 4874 253<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Standards mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Standards@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Standards@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>