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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">+++++++++1<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Randy, you are a brilliant voice of reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m sure the cat wants you to be free to speak.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Glad it didn’t get your tongue. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randal Hale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 28, 2016 6:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> discuss@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sharing sad news from the web...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>If I can just chime in (I told my cat I wasn't). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The kicker in this is ESRI is deeply entrenched everywhere. They've entire groups of people just focused on "giving to schools". I was at the helm of rolling out a full ESRI rollout to a school in 2012. We had a 50 seat lab setup. I ended up moving them
over to FOSS4G 2 years ago - and I need to go back and update their setup (they don't know how). The school is Title 1 (which means the school is very poor). The computers are better than what they normally get - BUT - they will be using them longer than what
they need to. They will be unable to run the next version of ESRI Software. The computers can still run FOSS4G software.
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<p>The teachers here in the US (and I have no doubt this is the case everywhere) are stretched thin. That's what makes ESRI so nice. They show up and go "here is a curriculum (of sorts) and here is 'free' software". It's a short term win. They have people targeted
to do just that. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So what would Randy do (and I've thought about this more than I care to mention) to introduce FOSS4G into the schools:
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A bootable disk with FOSS4G software (I am partial to QGIS - other things exist) and not everything like the OSGEO Disk. A few select pieces of software with a purpose:
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10 lessons of 1 hour apiece to work through that are student oriented (maybe pick an age range - 12-16)<o:p></o:p>
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Start globally and work down to locally. Maybe we have different local datasets. <o:p>
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An explanation for the teachers. They don't understand like we do - they need us there for hand holding and encouragement. They can manage kids - We need to help manage the lessons. I'm not a teacher. I can teach adults - but not kids - it's a whole different
game. <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
A spot where teachers can get the lessons (NOT GITHUB) and the disk (maybe we combine all things into a bootable USB stick).
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Help - a place where they can get help (NOT GITHUB). My town has 30+ schools. If more than 1 does this I can't be everywhere. ESRI put out a call for Geomentors. We put out a call.
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We have COMMUNITY - I don't believe ESRI currently does. They have an advertising budget. 20 years ago they had community. We have momentum now. Community is greater than an Advertising budget.
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Advertise it. Ask for help from the teachers. <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Update it. <o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p>I know I'm asking for a lot - it's time intensive - but I think it's 100% doable. I go to speak at 2 colleges on GIS Day on nothing but FOSS4G.
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<p>We've got all the pieces to make this work except time. I'll carve out some time if this gets going. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I wished the cat had stopped me. Now I'm in it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/28/2016 09:16 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As if someone is reading this ha, a tweet just came across my desk:
<a href="https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048">https://twitter.com/GIS4Teachers/status/791981572991746048</a>
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So, we need to also get into that huge K-12 market, plant the open seed early :) A challenge indeed.
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Think on this over the weekend, <br>
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-jeff <br>
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On 2016-10-27 12:36 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sadly, only ESRI seems to exist for some in the USA...Imagine the
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consequences of <br>
this: <a href="http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth">
http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100610-gathering-up-geospatial-pros-to-meet-massive-market-growth</a><br>
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Sergio Acosta y Lara <br>
Departamento de Geomática <br>
Dirección Nacional de Topografía <br>
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas <br>
URUGUAY <br>
(598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 <br>
<a href="http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/">http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Randal Hale<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>North River Geographic Systems, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.northrivergeographic.com">http://www.northrivergeographic.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>423.653.3611 <a href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com">rjhale@northrivergeographic.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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