<div dir="ltr">On 20 September 2017 at 12:44, Maria Antonia Brovelli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" target="_blank">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Jody this is not respectful of me and the community. Might I know why the people working for the project want ABSOLUTELY to keep the names and links to proprietary software on our open source software website? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>I feel a bit of pressure to express myself exactly correctly on this outreach topic; or risk people missing the point ... The outreach approach was determined months ago when going over our target audience (literally what the website is for). Te website was defined with these visitor journey's in mind...</div></div><div><br></div><div>The primary audience for the website is non-community members:</div><div>- ESRI GIS Professional (GISP), IT Professionals, Academic Faculty<span style="white-space:pre">, </span>Academic Students<span style="white-space:pre">, </span>Science and Research<span style="white-space:pre">, </span>Influencers & Decision makers<span style="white-space:pre">, </span>Software Developers</div><div>- the communication goal is to promote awareness - asking non-community members to consider and evaluate</div><div>- the next goal is adoption - assisting non-community members in adopting open source</div><div>- the final foal is impress - having non-community members be enthusiastic and advocate open source</div><div><br></div><div>The secondary audience is community members:</div><div>- osgeo members, partners, service providers, sponsors, contributors</div><div>- the steps awarness, adoption, impress reflect contributing to open source</div><div>- many of the community member activities are taking place on the wiki and are happy to remain there.</div><div><br></div><div>With this approach in mind the website is explicitly trying help non-community members. Our goal as an organization is to promote open source; and making this website to reach out to non-community members is the best way to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>The reason I want to keep the names (don't care about the links) is address the needs of non-commuity website visitors. To answer the question "I use XXX, how can you help me?"</div><div><br></div><div>For your two questions:</div><div>- Maria as a GeoServer lead I would like to offer "Migrate from: ArcGIS Server", I expect other projects may (or may not) want to offer similar guidence for non-community members.</div><div>- As for the links ... they are to wikipedia - but we can remove them or not use them if you like.</div><div><br></div><div>Aside: <i>Yes the original bug report showed that the QGIS page had been filled out incorrectly; I hope we can review these pages and make sure each project team can edit once the website is hosted on OSGeo hardware.</i></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
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<div>Anyhow, I think that the Board can express ourselves about this point. I remember you that we were voted and that the people who voted me don't want those names and links. I'm speaking on behalf of many. In case, we will ask the whole community to express
ourselves about that. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We have a balanced board, and do indeed try and provide discussion based on the members who voted for us. Much like social pressure I do not find pulling rank to be constructive Maria.</div><div><br></div><div>I would much rather we both stand down and respect the wishes of the projects being represented (they can provide as much or as little information on these pages as they like), and the marketing committee performing outreach.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div>I want to apologise with the people working at the website if my tone could have seen as rude. Who knows me, knows that I'm not a native speaker and sometimes my words seem to be worse than what I have in mind. I want to claridy that I appreciate a lot
their work ( I suppose they appreciate my work all the same) and I thank them with all my hearth. But absolutely I don't agree with this choice and I explained you also the reasons.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks Maria I am sorry if we are having communication challenge based on difference in language (and I am sorry for getting upset). As you know I enjoy working with you on many of our joint activities as board members and we have done some great things together this year.</div><div><br></div><div>I find the discussion productive when focus on what we want the website to say. It will be a more effective tool as a result. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>What would really help is if the board could help SAC make a decision so this website can be deployed and everyone can work on it again. It seems very sad to focus on one line on the project pages when the entire thing is stalled and in danger.</div><div>--</div><div>Jody</div></div></div></div>