<div dir="ltr">I am going to grab a couple quotes from the other email thread:<div><ul><li>Maria: <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px"><i>Our projects are much more than pieces of code. Behind our software there are communities</i></span><br></li><li><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px">Ben passing on: </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">"Jon Kuperman‏ @jkup </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Stop treating open source like a product you purchased and start treating it like a team you belong to." </span><a href="https://twitter.com/jkup/status/909887066103676928">https://twitter.com/jkup/status/909887066103676928</a><br></li><li>Ben: <span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"> <i>We offer something that proprietary GIS never can: the opportunity to join a community of peers.</i></span></li></ul></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px">I strongly agree with these statements; I think we have to present a list of open source projects (rather than software) or we would not be doing good outreach.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px"> Educating non-community members about this aspect - that open source is a team, rather than a technology should be taken on from the very first page.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.800000190734863px">Steve, if the discussion list can come to an agreement here, </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px;color:rgb(80,0,80)">I would like to ask for phrasing to use when restoring the home page to "choose-a-project". It will be challenging to word in a way that communicates well.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px;color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></span></div><div>(I also note the above quotes would be excellent for a "why open source" page)<span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px;color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 September 2017 at 06:02, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I would like to bring to discuss a question that we are struggling with for the website/rebranding - do we present "open source software" or "open source projects"?<div><br></div><div>This is not an easy answer, as the earlier discussion on this list did not know how to recognize projects doing a rewrite (example OL2 --> OL3, or project teams expanding and developing additional software components like QGIS Server.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the email from the marketing list:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">The choose-a-project wizard is now working, we had to cut down some of the tags last week and change how the pages were done to make it happen.</span><br>This touches on a conversation with Steve Feldman from the code sprint. As part of the focus exercise the <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/" target="_blank">home page</a> was changed to says "Choose your software" which then links to "choose-a-project". <br>It does bring up two interesting cases:<br>1) <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/qgis/" target="_blank">http://osgeo.getinteractive<wbr>.nl/projects/qgis/</a> <br>QGIS - has several software projects now under one banner: QGIS Desktop, QGIS Server, more?<br>This is kind of messing with the system (and resulting in oddities like QGIS being listed as a cloud processing service, I assume QGIS server could run in the cloud and qgis desktop offers processing).<br>2) <a href="http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/gvsig/" target="_blank">http://osgeo.getinteractive<wbr>.nl/projects/gvsig/</a><br>Same thing, there are now multiple gvSig software projects: gvSIG Desktop, gvNIX, gvSIG Mobile, i3Geo </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Recommendation for the beta website:<br>- Making the QGIS Association page under Partners, linking to individual pages for QGIS and QGIS Server project pages.<br>- Makin the gvSIG Association link to the individual software project pages for gvSIG Desktop, gvNIX, gvSIG  Mobile, i3Geo.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And Steven Feldman's reply:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">My 1st thoughts on ‘projects’ and ‘software' are to look at definitions:<br><b>Project</b>:<br><i>"In contemporary <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_sector" title="Business sector" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">business</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science" title="Science" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">scie<wbr>nce</a>, a <b>project</b> is an individual or collaborative enterprise, possibly involving research or design, that is carefully <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan" title="Plan" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">planned</a>, usually by a project team, to achieve a particular aim.<sup id="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551cite_ref-1" class="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551reference" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:-webkit-isolate;white-space:nowrap"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-1" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">[1]<br></a></sup>A project may also be a set of interrelated tasks to be executed over a fixed period and within certain cost and other limitations.<sup id="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551cite_ref-2" class="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551reference" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:-webkit-isolate;white-space:nowrap"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-2" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">[2]<br></a></sup>It may be a temporary (rather than permanent) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_system" title="Social system" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">social systems</a> as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_systems" title="Work systems" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">work systems</a> that is constituted by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team" title="Team" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">teams</a> within or across organizations to accomplish particular <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_(project_management)" title="Task (project management)" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">tasks</a> under time constraints.<sup id="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551cite_ref-3" class="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551reference" style="line-height:1;unicode-bidi:-webkit-isolate;white-space:nowrap"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-3" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">[3]</a></sup> A project may be a part of a wider <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_management" class="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551mw-redirect" title="Programme management" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">programme management</a>” </i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project" target="_blank"><i>https://en.</i>wikiped<wbr>ia.org/wiki/Project</a><br><b>Software</b>:<br><i><b style="font-family:sans-serif">"Computer software</b><span style="font-family:sans-serif">, or simply </span><b style="font-family:sans-serif">software</b><span style="font-family:sans-serif">, is a part of a </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_system" class="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551mw-redirect" title="Computer system" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">computer system</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> that consists of </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(computing)" title="Data (computing)" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">data</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> or computer instructions, in contrast to the </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware" title="Computer hardware" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">physical hardware</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> from which the system is built. In </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science" title="Computer science" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">computer science</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> and </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering" title="Software engineering" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">software engineering</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif">, computer software is all </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information" title="Information" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">information</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> processed by </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_system" class="m_6985954303915310547gmail-m_9162389393469622551mw-redirect" title="Computer system" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">computer systems</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif">, </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program" title="Computer program" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">programs</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> and data. Computer software includes </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program" title="Computer program" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">computer programs</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif">, </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_(computing)" title="Library (computing)" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">libraries</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> and related non-executable </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(computing)" title="Data (computing)" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">data</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif">, such as </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_documentation" title="Software documentation" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">online documentation</a><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> or </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media" title="Digital media" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none" target="_blank">digital media</a><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif">.<span style="font-size:14px">” </span></font><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.o<wbr>rg/wiki/Software</a></font> </i></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif">My interpretation: <br></font><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif">Each different application e.g. QGIS Desktop, QGIS server is ‘software’ (or we could alternatively use ‘application’ or 'program')<br></font><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif">The QGIS Project is the umbrella organisation/collaboration/soc<wbr>ial construct/enterprise that encompasses and coordinates the individual software/applications/programs<br></font><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif">I think the important thing for us as a marketing group is to consider what these terms mean to potential users rather than how we use them internally (for our community ‘project' can be interchangeable with ‘software’).</font></blockquote><div><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif">I am personally having a hard time thinking in terms of software since I like the fact that open source project encompasses both the technology and the people.</font></div><div><div class="m_6985954303915310547gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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