<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi List,<br></div>happy to note that 'FOSS4G being Costly/Unaffordable', is discussed.<br></div>To make it fun, spice is added on the TERM HANGOUT.. <br><br></div>May be the next board will have FOSS4G for Business, where in 5* comforts that might make business easy for OSGeo.<br></div>Will also have, 'FOSS4G Developers', where in young students/Reserchers can have a great conference.<br><br></div> Some fine tuning may make, Say , 1st 2 days 5 Star.. Next two affordable.<br></div>But in a world where, 'COST some times means Efficiency', may not, 'play ball', with this Idea.<br><br></div>Cheers.. and All the best to the Hopefuls<br><br></div>Ravi Kumar<br><div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Okay I checked that the report is not published yet (sigh). I really appreciated Jeff's answer, and agree that regional foss4g events are seeing great success and are much more affordable.<div><div><br><div>To answer your question:</div><div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><i>'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out to be a hangout for those who can afford it'</i>.. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div></span><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">I have never agreed that FOSS4G is a hangout - I continue to view it as our most effective outreach event.</span></div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><i><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">costs (of participation) are </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">so high that many might not afford.. </span></i><br></div><div><i><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></i></div></span><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">I very much agree with this, indeed I was only able to attend the Lausanne event by the kindness of people letting me sleep on their hotel floor. I have tried to return the favour each time the event took place in my home city.</span></div><div><i><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></i></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><i>If selected to the board HOW do you wish to correct this...</i></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a tricky one, in part because I do not have to imagine - here is my own recommendation from the <a href="mailto:board@osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@osgeo.org</a> email list thread: <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2017-August/010526.html" target="_blank">f2f meeting follow up</a>:</div><div><br></div><div><div>On 21 August 2017 at 11:23, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><div><i>I saw this thread get into the details of the RFP - for that we have</i></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><i>volunteers on the conference committee. My goal as a board member is to</i></div></div><div><div><i>work on strategy, as the conference committee knows best about the RFP</i></div></div><div><div><i>wording and process.</i></div></div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div><div><div><i>*Q: *Based on the affordability report, and resulting discussion, did we as </i><i>the board have any direction to ask the conference committee to steer in?</i></div></div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div><div><div><i>My own feedback:</i></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><div><i>1) I was pleasantly surprised that the ticket cost of foss4g has not </i><i>changed significantly over the course of the events (indeed our most </i><i>expensive event was Sydney and our cheapest Korea).</i></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>I do not see any guidance to provide here (this was surprising to me).</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>2) Attendance continues to increase limiting appropriate venues</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and event is </i><i>growing. I think once we get around 3000 people we may be forced to settle </i><i>down to consider a fixed location, but at 1000-2000 we can still move it </i><i>around.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>3) regional events are killing it</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>I do not see any guidence to provide here, our community and events is </i><i>growing. </i><i>The hope is this takes some of the strain from the global event, allowing </i><i>it to focus on outreach and advocacy more.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>4) hard for students to attend (also journal, etc...)</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>There was a strong hope that travel grant program could help out a lot </i><i>here, that would make me sad as this was intended to work towards </i><i>diversity.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>While there may be guidance here I am not close enough to the academic </i><i>world to provide useful direction.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>5) diversity</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>The original intention of the travel grant was to bring diversity awareness </i><i>to our osgeo events (to apply regional events are asked to set a diversity </i><i>target which travel grant can help towards). During foss4g I attended a </i><i>diversity presentation that advocated creating a safe space.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>*Guidance: *Trial the use of providing a safe space in the 2018 bid.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>Similar recommendations online include:</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>- make female speakers a priority (not just in selection, but before hand</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>in promotion, one-on-one mentoring etc...).</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>- providing child care (this helps families attend)</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>Since these haver not been advocated by members of our community I am only </i><i>comfortable providing guidance on providing a safe space. Perhaps some of </i><i>these ideas can be tried out at regional conferences first.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>6) time of year</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>The events have moved from September/October to August placing it in the </i><i>way of European holidays. With the bulk of our contributors in Europe this </i><i>has affected how many of our contributors can attend.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>*Guidance: *Request September / October event (to maximize contributors who </i><i>can attend).</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>I understand next years event has plans to turn this into a holiday for </i><i>families which is a cunning plan.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>7) travel / accommodation</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>I would like to avoid prime tourist season to avoid asking attendees pay </i><i>high airfair and accommodation costs. We did not have the number in the </i><i>affordability report to back this up (but Michael Smith was going to look </i><i>things up).</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>*Guidance: *Request September / October event (to avoid peak tourist </i><i>season).</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><br></div></div><div>Followed by:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><i>> 5) diversity</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>On reflection I am a bit uncomfortable offering guidance here - lacking the </i><i>needed perspective. I would ask that the conference committee consider </i><i>diversity as a selection criteria, but would hold off on providing specific </i><i>advice listed above. I recognize that the board as a whole is a diverse </i><i>body and may be in position to offer guidance.</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>I just don't think it is my place either as a board member (need to trust </i><i>the marketing committee) or as a white male (can offer only concern, not </i><i>perspective).</i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i><br></i></div></div></div><div><div><div><i>Aside: This whole discussion has increased my respect for the conference </i><i>committee, this is tough stuff. I thank those who contribute positively as </i><i>part of the conference committee.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The thing to note is that as a board member we can offer guidance, or in extreme cases provide a mandate to a group that wishes to act. I you asked me "<i style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">HOW do you wish to correct this" </i><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"> the answer would be to join the conference committe and help out, an ability each of us has as a volunteer.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">The conference committee has my trust, and as I understand they are deeply aware and concerned about this issue.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_1093654049569412329m_1953855406890942866gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 October 2017 at 16:56, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>We actually have solid numbers for this, a report was provided at the Boston meeting that kind of answers this to my satisfaction. <br><br>I was waiting for it to be shared with the membership, since your question was one I have been asked repeatedly over the last six months, especially at foss4ge.<br><br><div dir="auto">I would really like you to be able to read the report and reach your own conclusion. </div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_1093654049569412329m_1953855406890942866h5"><div>On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:45 PM Ravi Kumar <<a href="mailto:manarajahmundry2015@gmail.com" target="_blank">manarajahmundry2015@gmail.com</a><wbr>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_1093654049569412329m_1953855406890942866h5"><div><div><br><br>Question (would be Board). 'Do you agree that FOSS4G is turning out
to be a hangout for those who can afford it'.. costs (of participation)
are <br>so high that many might not afford.. If selected to the board HOW do you wish to correct this..<br><br></div>Ravi Kumar<br></div></div></div>
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