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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please don’t misunderstand – I’m happy that NASA does great things with open source.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I did have a quick look at the difference on the GeoTools GeoPackage fork, and it looks like there are some useful fixes in GeoTools that WWSK doesn’t have, and some fixes in WWSK that GeoTools doesn’t have.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s up to those that write the code to decide whether to contribute back to upstream projects (with all that this entails – legal issues, workload, long term intent), and when. I think it would be great to get the fixes and improvements into the upstream projects. Clearly that can’t happen without Contributor License Agreements in place, but after that, you can propose improvements and PRs as for any other contributor (just like me).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Brad<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 February 2018 10:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> bradh@frogmouth.net<br><b>Cc:</b> 'OSGeo Discussions' <discuss@lists.osgeo.org><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESA-NASA WebWorldWind<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Brad,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As I tried to make clear from the beginning, we are very glad to contribute, by providing ^supported^ access to our experience going down the GeoPackage road. We just need someone else taking the lead. If our experience, on full display, can be of help, we are most glad to coordinate in that contribution. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Everything the NASA WorldWind project has developed since 2002, has all been open source. Before there was a Goog Earth there was NASA WorldWind. And I might add, it was born of the NASA Learning Technologies program, entirely focused on Education. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately, we simply cannot take the lead on ^smartly^ bringing our GeoPackage work into GeoServer. But we are glad to coordinate with someone capable and interested enough to do that. AS they say, it takes a village. </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net">bradh@frogmouth.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net">mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)<br><b>Cc:</b> 'OSGeo Discussions'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESA-NASA WebWorldWind<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>OK. So the answer to my original question of "</span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Can I ask if there are any plans to contribute back the forked geoserver and geotools parts?” that NASA does not currently plan to do so. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I’m sure the GeoServer and GeoTools communities would be happy to work with you (see <a href="http://docs.geotools.org/latest/developer/procedures/contribute.html">http://docs.geotools.org/latest/developer/procedures/contribute.html</a> and <a href="http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/user/introduction/gettinginvolved.html">http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/user/introduction/gettinginvolved.html</a>) when you’re ready.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Thanks for your continuing support for open source.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Brad<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [<a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov">mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 February 2018 9:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net">bradh@frogmouth.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'OSGeo Discussions' <<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESA-NASA WebWorldWind<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Brad,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Life is work! We have not suggested “changes. . .just be taken from WWSK.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>We have done quite a bit of work to get GeoPackage working with GeoServer. I believe it is good work. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>We are glad to work with someone who would like to take the lead in benefitting from our experience and incorporating the best of that into GeoServer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>We are quite occupied and focused in other areas, all open source. And though we are glad to help GeoServer benefit from what we have learned, we are unable to take the lead in that exercise. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So, if this is of interest, great! If not, that’s fine too. We are simply offering the opportunity for someone appropriately qualified and interested, to work with NASA and benefit GeoServer. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(650) 604-5656 (o)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(650) 269-2788 (c)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>bradh@frogmouth.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> [</span><a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)<br><b>Cc:</b> 'OSGeo Discussions'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESA-NASA WebWorldWind<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Just so we’re clear – the geopackage stuff in WWSK is a fork of (i.e. copy from) the community modules in geotools and geoserver. For example, see </span><a href="https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindServerKit/blob/develop/worldwind-gs-geopkg/src/test/java/gov/nasa/worldwind/gs/geopkg/GeoPackageGetMapOutputFormatTest.java"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindServerKit/blob/develop/worldwind-gs-geopkg/src/test/java/gov/nasa/worldwind/gs/geopkg/GeoPackageGetMapOutputFormatTest.java</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Some changes have been made (including rebranding the Java namespaces). Clearly the changes can’t just be taken from WWSK, as noted in the OSGeo links in Ian’s email.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I just hadn’t seen any communication or PRs, and wondered if that was the intent. I’m a bit surprised by the wording in your email though – if you have contributions, then why not just propose them like other contributors do?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Brad<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [</span><a href="mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>mailto:patrick.hogan@nasa.gov</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 15 February 2018 3:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ian Turton <</span><a href="mailto:ijturton@gmail.com"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>ijturton@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:bradh@frogmouth.net"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>bradh@frogmouth.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>; OSGeo Discussions <</span><a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>discuss@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] ESA-NASA WebWorldWind<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Our GeoPackage work to facilitate that via GeoServer is extensive and carefully architected. And we’ve discovered some other good things that would certainly advance GeoServer. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindServerKit"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindServerKit</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>NASA is prepared to work with someone close to GeoServer for these features and improvements to be ‘folded-in.’ We are glad to coordinate with a most appropriate person who would take the lead in that effort. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>