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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sergio,<o:p></o:p></span></font></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I for one am delighted to hear your well expressed concern. In point of fact, ESRI certainly has no real interest
in open source. They are there to make as much money as possible and don’t mind playing rough to get it. That is not to suggest we cannot find ways to live and even work together. Though like you said and said well “This approach should make OSGeo more alert.”
On another but related issue, I am still curious as to where ESRI and the OS community are on LiDAR format and compression as ^one^ open standard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 26, 2018 7:03 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> María Arias de Reyna; André Cruvinel Resende<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> OSGeo Discussions<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stefano, certainly you are NOT the only one. In the past I have expressed my concern about this fact. It's as if Monsanto were sponsoring
an organic food event. I don't think ESRI (or Google or IBM or others) approaches OSGeo innocently. This approach should make OSGeo more alert. And distrust their intentions. I remember that some years ago ESRI did not let gvSIG people even assist an ESRI
conference. And now what has changed? That the FOSS4G movement is now "cool". So it makes these companies present themselves as OS ("we support the OS movement, we even sponsor their events", even "we are OS") and it is easier for them to enter certain places
(later it is more difficult for them to leave). Maybe these companies should be asked something more than money in exchange for sponsoring the FOSS4G. And see how far they can get with that support to the FOSS4G movement...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Discuss <<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> en nombre de María Arias de Reyna <<a href="mailto:delawen@gmail.com">delawen@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Enviado:</span></b> lunes, 26 de febrero de 2018 4:34<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Para:</span></b> André Cruvinel Resende<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">I share your fears. But on the other hand, the list of sponsors is not closed for
this year, I know for sure there are open source companies that are still pending to be shown there. GeoCat for example, being a small SME in comparison, will do the yearly effort to be a key sponsor proving that open source companies support FOSS4G events.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">You know (because I have been tiring on this subject) that I am completely against
openwashing. And I will not be comfortable (and protest) if FOSS4G is used as a platform to promote closed source software. If I see a track full of selling closed architectures and software or some keynote talking about the greatness of closed software, I
will be angry. But until now, we have had closed source companies sponsoring OSGeo and the "worst" thing we have had is some talk with a lot of openwashing that made us laugh. No big harm, but useful to reopen the debate and refresh terms.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">Look at it like this: If a closed source software company (and I won't say ESRI here,
because we have more examples, don't focus only on one) wants to sponsor an FLOSS conference... look at it as a small fee for all the work they are reusing from our open side. Is it the only budget they spend on open source? Is it because they want to get
close to the community and keep in touch with the state of the art software in the industry? Great! If anything, I would be more worried if they had no interest in FLOSS. This means we are an important piece of the industry and they want to be involved, either
to -steal- research about our way of working, our ideas or whatever we have.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Can you imagine Microsoft announcing Windows is going to be FLOSS? Would be insane and dangerous (if a code is going to be FLOSS, it should be FLOSS from the beginning to avoid big security holes in the open that come inherently on closed software). Let them
get closer and, maybe in the future, they will become real FLOSS advocators.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">María.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:49 AM, André Cruvinel Resende <<a href="mailto:andrecr@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrecr@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">We have had this fear in the past.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121">I do not think of it as just an emotive response - some business models do not match our ideals as an organization
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" color="#212121" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#212121"><a href="https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/blob/a1df7cb9df2fe3cbcfac974b434b01ac6a1946e5/gdal/frmts/mrf/JPEG_band.cpp#L21" target="_blank">https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/blob/a1df7cb9df2fe3cbcfac974b434b01ac6a1946e5/gdal/frmts/mrf/JPEG_band.cpp#L21</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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