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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi Suchith,<br>
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thank you for responding, and as well for your patience - weekends
allow me to catch up.<br>
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I respectfully disagree with your view - the report implies to
operate on some high standard which however it fails to fulfil. <br>
Thank you for the kind invitation to participate, I will see that
I find time once I learn about it. Looking at the list archives
actually I could find one single invitation [1] (as we all know
normally you would send several), and that was quite indirec</font>t:
"share your inputs for the digital divide sub theme". Not
sufficiently open and transparent. <br>
As you know from science: when you submit an article and reviewers
criticize it saying "next time join us to make it better" is not
going to be instrumental. As professionals we know our business.<br>
And indeed the document does grossly violate basic principles of
open science, including (but not limited to) not clearly disclosing
persons responsible; not disclosing the methodology; strong
unilateral bias; completely ignoring the state of the art; etc.<br>
<br>
Let's do a thought experiment for a crosscheck: think of ESRI
sending this report, only mentioning ESRI; and think of your
response coming from ESRI instead - would the community enjoy that?<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
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Some Sunday thoughts,<br>
Peter<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25.10.20 16:19, Suchith Anand wrote:<br>
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the RDA Array databases report. That is very useful.</span></p>
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Neue'"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The UNGGIM future trends
report</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 11pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">(third edition) was
produced by the hardwork and efforts of many colleagues and
organisations over a</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 11pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">year. There was an open
call inviting all interested to contribute on all areas of
future developments , so</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 11pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">it would have been great
if you could contribute your expertise in data cubes for
this. The call inviting contributions was open to all and
was shared in UN-GGIM website,</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 11pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">all key GIS/EO networks
and mail lists.</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 11pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I request you to please
consider sharing your expertise for this topic for the next
edition.</span></p>
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Neue'"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I think there is always
room for improvement for any work, so I hope UNGGIM in their
next edition will be able to improve based on the feedbacks
and include more ideas/inputs. I think it is important to
thank and acknowledge the good work done by all colleagues
in UN GGIM and all colleagues and organisations who
responded to the open call and contributed thier</span><span class="Apple-converted-space" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">time and expertise for this report.</span></p>
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Baumann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de"><p.baumann@jacobs-university.de></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2020 12:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Suchith Anand
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GeoForAll <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:GeoForAll@lists.osgeo.org"><GeoForAll@lists.osgeo.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UN-GGIM The Future Trends
in geospatial information management: the five to ten year
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<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">thanks for sharing
this, Suchith!<br>
<br>
While the report overall makes a very good impression it
violates the principles of both open + science in at least one
place, the one I checked: datacubes, for my personal
curiosity. What I find is that only one tool, ODC, gets
described, leaving the impression to the innocent reader that
this is the only technology relevant/existing.<br>
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Why this is problematic:<br>
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- Science: </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Science is all about
reproducibility.
</font>A scientific report would reflect on the state of the
art; for example, in the RDA report [1] 19 tools have been
investigated, and meantime for sure there are more. Further,
objective criteria would get established along which the tools
would get assessed. Science requires (i) listing tools and
(ii) assessing them for adequate criteria, such as power,
performance, standards adherence, etc. Hard work? Yes, of
course, who said science is one lazy afternoon's work? The RDA
report took over 1.5 years to compile, devise and run
benchmarks, etc. <br>
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- Open: would require that the collection process is
documented, the community at large can contribute before
publishing. I could not find any earlier invitation to
contribute on the topics of datacubes. Bottom line, the
procedure is all but open and transparent.<br>
<br>
Bottom line, this report is in contrast to openness,
transparency, and good science, it rather represents
subliminal advertisement for a single tool lobbied.
</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">That the name of the UN
is (mis)used here makes it even more problematic.<br>
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</font>Not a shining example for the principles this community
is striving for.<br>
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Disappointedly,<br>
Peter<br>
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[1] <a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://rd-alliance.org/system/files/Array-Databases_final-report.pdf" moz-do-not-send="true">
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 23.10.20 12:05, Suchith Anand
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United Nations initiative on Global Geospatial
Information Management (UN-GGIM) aims at playing
a leading role in setting the agenda for the
development of global geospatial information and
to promote its use to address key global
challenges. It provides a forum to liaise and
coordinate among Member States, and between
Member States and international organizations.
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management: the five to ten year vision – Third
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of interest. I wish to thank all colleagues who
contribute to open education and open geospatial
science [1] for bridging the geospatial digital
divide. [2],[3],[4]</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;
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grateful to everyone working to make
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