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<p>The problem with the social interaction arguments is the massive
environmental cost.<br>
<br>
It's about 22,000 km round trip from either NW USA or West Europe
to Buenos Aires, Argentina for example.<br>
Depending on the calculator you use, that's about 4 tonnes of CO2
for the round trip. The world target by 2030 is 2.1 tonnes per
capita (Page XXV - UN Environment Programme report -
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wedocs.unep.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/34426/EGR20.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y">https://wedocs.unep.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/34426/EGR20.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y</a>
). So that's about two-person years of CO2 emissions for a ~4 day
conference.<br>
<br>
This is why I ask what actual benefits "networking" provides. It's
not part of an anti-social crusade, it's because "business as
usual" for us means "our grandparents screwed everything up for
us" in a few generations. Jetting around the planet has a
real-world cost even if it's one that's invisible to most of us
right now.</p>
<p>We take our ability to jet around the globe by air for granted
but forget that just 90 years ago it was impossible. Literally.
The (turbo) jet hadn't been invented. And even today, the vast
vast majority (> 90%, probably much higher) of the world's
population never fly in a given year (
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/how-much-worlds-population-has-flown-airplane-180957719/">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/how-much-worlds-population-has-flown-airplane-180957719/</a>
).<br>
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> I think if a group of individuals[1], or several groups, want
to put forward proposals for the conference to be located in
"Cyberspace"[2] then that should not be disallowed, and then its
up to the conference committee to consider it fairly according to
the criteria for selection.<br>
<br>
On the surface, this is a good idea, but unfortunately it has a
fundamental problem:<br>
There are no "criteria for selection" of the conference beyond
"the committee members voted for this proposal". There's zero
transparency in the process.</p>
<p>It strikes me that there is another advantage to the online
setup, one that solves a very real recurring problem of the
in-person conferences:<br>
Repeatability.<br>
Currently every conference starts from scratch; the new LOC has to
figure everything out for themselves and all the knowledge from
the old LOC is lost (although they do usually try to help with the
transition). However, with an online conference, once the tooling
is setup for the first one it would seem the burden to create the
later ones would be much lower, and you'd benefit from possibly
having some LOC members do it multiple times allowing the transfer
for institutional knowledge.<br>
<br>
(And no, for a whole host of reasons, I'm not the person to put
forth any formal proposal)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-01-12 15:52, Barry Rowlingson
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<div>I think if a group of individuals[1], or several groups,
want to put forward proposals for the conference to be located
in "Cyberspace"[2] then that should not be disallowed, and
then its up to the conference committee to consider it fairly
according to the criteria for selection. <br>
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<div>[1] Not me</div>
<div>[2] But not "the metaverse". Just No.</div>
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I would say that its probably best to think about Hybrid, as
this is what is happening for 2022. Essentially you are both
right, there are pluses and minuses to each. And we want to
support both going forward as there isn’t going to be an
approach that works for everyone. Future FOSS4Gs will probably
all part virtual and in-person.<br>
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Note this is my personal opinion.<br>
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Mike<br>
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Michael Smith<br>
US Army Corps / Remote Sensing GIS Center<br>
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On 1/12/22, 10:28 AM, "Discuss on behalf of Iván Sánchez
Ortega via Discuss" <<a
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El miércoles, 12 de enero de 2022 15:26:05 (CET) Jonathan
Moules via Discuss<br>
escribió:<br>
> > we really hope that FOSS4G2023 can be safely<br>
> > organized in physical format.<br>
><br>
> Why?<br>
<br>
Because we humans are social animals; and people like me,
who are almost<br>
completely burnt out by not having been outside of their
houses for nearly two<br>
years, could really use an in-person event to see their
friends and their<br>
personal heroes.<br>
<br>
I'm not gonna attack Jonathan's points (or even reply to
them, risking an<br>
episode of sealioning to erode my patience), but I want to
make one of my own:<br>
<br>
It's good for our collective mental health. We *want* an
in person event, we<br>
*hope* for it; which for me is a sign our brains have some
demand for it, even<br>
if it's intangible.<br>
<br>
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