[El] GDAL 1.7.3 in elgis-testing

[Ralph Apel]

"need a patched Java"?
Would you please be more precise?

What is "GDAL with image-io extension"?
What I know is that
- there is a GDAL
- there is an effort (from geosolutions) to connect this upstream GDAL
to just another but important "abstraction layer" called "image-io"...

"no maven"?
Why?
Maven is just another project build environment, certainly a very
successful one, which has been adopted by almost every upstream OS Java
project.
So "no maven" means "no Java", right?
Such a position will not be easy to defend.

But let's keep constructive: 
Should geotools be packaged? Yes (I suppose)..)
Should then imageio-ext be packaged? Yes (if you answered yes to above
question).
OK, there are several other, perhaps even more conflicting Requires for
geotools, should we bother to cope with them? Yes, we should
(particularly is we [EL] aren't bound to certain limitations distros
are). 

We [EL] SHOULD be be authorized to stalk around and seek for any
possible solutions to those difficult issues. We would not be able to do
such if we depend on an authorization from whatever distro... 

In short: ELGIS or JPP or whatever should be "upstream" for Fedora, just
as Fedora is "upstream" for EPEL and EPEL is "upstream" for EL. Let them
do their work and then, after a work done, talk and then, after having
talked about, take it or reject it.

This seems to be the same old stuff of centralized v/s decentralized
steering of goals and projects and so on. Why plan in detail what you
are delegating?

This is an interesting (while conflicting) issue on organizing several
(4,5 or 6 ) levels of "upstreaming" where once Fedora declared itself
(+- rightfully) to be the only real "upstream". But that is true for
"horizontal", general purpose stuff. We are now creating a pattern to
deal with any other "vertical", specialized applications.

Therefore:
- let "horizontal", general purpose people take care of "horizontal",
general purpose, contents; that means: ELGIS trying not to fork or keep
its own versions of xerces or whatever.
- let "vertical", special purpose people take care of their purpose
bits; that means: create certain quality measures to help you decide
whether or not include them into your distro options - but don't pretend
to be "planning" their work...

An please remember: GIS is here only a representative case of "some"
"vertical" matter.

@Viji: Are we able to cooperate?

Cheers,
Ralph
- 

On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:35 +0530, Viji V Nair wrote:
> Hi
> 
> The GDAL with image-io extension need a patched Java and preferably Sun Java.
> 
> You have mentioned that you need a clean version, Options are:
> 
> 1. Complete Clean Version - Regular jnis, no maven2, no sun java, no patching
> 2. With patch and sun java - no maven
> 
> Thanks
> Viji
> 
> Also, have u got a chance to test the gdal-grass plugin?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Mathieu Baudier <mbaudier at argeo.org> wrote:
> > Hi Viji, Ralph,
> >
> > should I merge the two spec files (the one from Ralph with imageio-ext
> > and the one from Viji for Fedora) or do we want to have the
> > imageio-ext stuff first merged into the Fedora spec file?
> >
> > I can always merge the two (and probably soon will) and that won't be
> > too hard to synchronize with Fedora later on.
> > I just wanted to check again.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mathieu
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:25, Mathieu Baudier <mbaudier at argeo.org> wrote:
> >> This spec file does not contain the imageio-ext build done by Ralph.
> >>
> >> See:
> >> https://projects.argeo.org/elgis/svn/factory/trunk/rpmbuild/elgis/gdal/SPECS/gdal.spec?r=121
> >> for the current version.
> >>
> >> Are these imageio parts specific to EL5, or should they also be
> >> reported to Fedora?
> >>
> >> There is no hurry to answer/solve this. GDAL proper is currently
> >> usable in testing.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:00, Viji V Nair <viji at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> >>> sorry, missed the attachment.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Viji
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Mathieu Baudier <mbaudier at argeo.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> ANOTHER option would be to package the poms and depmap frags into an
> >>>>>> additional subpackage "gdal-java-poms" or "gdal-java-maven2", sort of
> >>>>>> "If you want to use gdal-java properly with maven2, you should install
> >>>>>> gdal-java-maven2, which of course requires maven2". That would be clean.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like this.
> >>>>> If there is a clean way and the only cost is just another small
> >>>>> package, I find it worth the (little) effort.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> But then that would not be a subpackage, but rather a full-fledged
> >>>> package in elgis-plus.
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