From rbray at robertbray.net Wed Oct 25 17:30:27 2006 From: rbray at robertbray.net (Robert Bray) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: Bootstrapping the FDO PSC Message-ID: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/fdo_psc/attachments/20061025/17a6ba57/attachment.html From warmerdam at pobox.com Wed Oct 25 19:23:01 2006 From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: [fdo-psc] Bootstrapping the FDO PSC In-Reply-To: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> References: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> Message-ID: <453FF1D5.5020109@pobox.com> Robert Bray wrote: > Please let me know if the meeting time works for you and if not please > propose a new time. In the meantime I'll create a place on the Wiki for > the PSC, meeting agendas, etc. Bob, 11:00am (eastern time) conflicts with with my OSGeo board meeting, but other than that I'm pretty flexible. The PSC rules seem fine to me with the exception of the 2/3 quorum for IRC meetings to be able to make decisions. I think this will make it hard to achieve quorum. I'd rather see a requirement for RFCs to be voted on the list, and other decision can be made in a meeting as long as the chair feels the meeting has reasonable representation for the questions at hand. The GeoTools group got themselves into a situation where they were unable to achieve quorum in their PSC meetings because too many people had wandered away, so they weren't able to adjust their rules. In the end they just declared by fiat that the rules were changed but that is a bit unfortunate in my mind. I think Haris Kurtagic might be a good candidate for another PSC member, though I don't know him beyond seeing his email on the fdo mailing list. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org From Jason.Birch at nanaimo.ca Wed Oct 25 23:21:28 2006 From: Jason.Birch at nanaimo.ca (Jason Birch) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: [fdo-psc] Bootstrapping the FDO PSC References: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> <453FF1D5.5020109@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8E468917B01800408B91984428BE03DD0385F7DB@starfish.nanaimo.ca> (just lurking...) Our intention with this system for the MapGuide PSC was to use the list as the primary decision making tool, with IRC being an opportunistic tool. There's no need to meet quorum via email to make changes, but if there's quorum on IRC then ad-hoc decisions could be made. Jason ________________________________ From: Frank Warmerdam Sent: Wed 2006-10-25 4:23 PM To: psc@fdo.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [fdo-psc] Bootstrapping the FDO PSC Robert Bray wrote: > Please let me know if the meeting time works for you and if not please > propose a new time. In the meantime I'll create a place on the Wiki for > the PSC, meeting agendas, etc. Bob, 11:00am (eastern time) conflicts with with my OSGeo board meeting, but other than that I'm pretty flexible. The PSC rules seem fine to me with the exception of the 2/3 quorum for IRC meetings to be able to make decisions. I think this will make it hard to achieve quorum. I'd rather see a requirement for RFCs to be voted on the list, and other decision can be made in a meeting as long as the chair feels the meeting has reasonable representation for the questions at hand. The GeoTools group got themselves into a situation where they were unable to achieve quorum in their PSC meetings because too many people had wandered away, so they weren't able to adjust their rules. In the end they just declared by fiat that the rules were changed but that is a bit unfortunate in my mind. I think Haris Kurtagic might be a good candidate for another PSC member, though I don't know him beyond seeing his email on the fdo mailing list. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/fdo_psc/attachments/20061026/fec8d8d3/attachment.html From warmerdam at pobox.com Thu Oct 26 11:40:16 2006 From: warmerdam at pobox.com (Frank Warmerdam) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: [fdo-psc] Bootstrapping the FDO PSC In-Reply-To: <4540D4E3.2000301@robertbray.net> References: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> <453FF1D5.5020109@pobox.com> <8E468917B01800408B91984428BE03DD0385F7DB@starfish.nanaimo.ca> <4540D4E3.2000301@robertbray.net> Message-ID: <4540D6E0.2030901@pobox.com> Robert Bray wrote: > Lurkers always welcome! > > I think I did not communicate that intent well in the document. Maybe I > should alter it to indicate specifically that most decisions happen via > e-mail and all RFC based decisions need to happen via e-mail, while > ad-hoc decisions can happen in IRC if a majority is present. > > Would that clarify the intent and help to resolve your issue with the > guidelines Frank? Bob, Yes, I guess so. Certainly my objections about not being able to do anything because of a lack of quorum don't apply since changes can be made by email. And the quorum rule does prevent a small psc meeting from doing something radical that would have been objected to by many members. Best regards, -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmerdam@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org From mateusz at loskot.net Thu Oct 26 16:20:19 2006 From: mateusz at loskot.net (Mateusz Loskot) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: [fdo-psc] Bootstrapping the FDO PSC In-Reply-To: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> References: <453FD773.7030702@robertbray.net> Message-ID: <45411883.2060801@loskot.net> Robert Bray wrote: > Please let me know if the meeting time works for you and if not please > propose a new time. In the meantime I'll create a place on the Wiki for > the PSC, meeting agendas, etc. Robert, I confirm from my side, the meeting time works for me. Thanks! Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net From rbray at robertbray.net Thu Oct 26 16:25:23 2006 From: rbray at robertbray.net (Robert Bray) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: First FDO PSC Meeting - New Time and Date Message-ID: <454119B3.3060105@robertbray.net> Since Frank had a conflict, lets try again for Monday October 30 at 9:00 AM (UTC/GMT-7) / 11:00 AM (UTC/GMT-5) / 5:00 PM (UTC/GMT+1). The meeting agenda is posted on the Wiki here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FDO_PSC_Meeting_10-30-2006. Thanks, Bob From mateusz at loskot.net Thu Oct 26 16:39:21 2006 From: mateusz at loskot.net (Mateusz Loskot) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: [fdo-psc] First FDO PSC Meeting - New Time and Date In-Reply-To: <454119B3.3060105@robertbray.net> References: <454119B3.3060105@robertbray.net> Message-ID: <45411CF9.6000704@loskot.net> Robert Bray wrote: > > Since Frank had a conflict, lets try again for Monday October 30 at 9:00 > AM (UTC/GMT-7) / 11:00 AM (UTC/GMT-5) / 5:00 PM (UTC/GMT+1). It's also very OK for me. Cheers -- Mateusz Loskot http://mateusz.loskot.net From rbray at robertbray.net Tue Oct 31 01:36:37 2006 From: rbray at robertbray.net (Robert Bray) Date: Fri Dec 22 14:10:34 2006 Subject: Today's Minutes Posted Message-ID: <4546EEF5.3090005@robertbray.net> The minutes of todays PSC meeting are now posted on the Wiki: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FDO_PSC_Meeting_10-30-2006. Bob