[Foss4g2009] Re: Geospatial Integration Showcase - meeting notes [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Thu Oct 30 07:05:08 EDT 2008


Bruce, Simon, you have valid concerns about minimising OUR scope, and 
indeed I believe this is essential for success.
The showcase, like open source projects will be successful only if lots 
of people do a little work.

Lots of people contribute to an Open Source project like Openlayers 
because 95% of the functionality exists for my requirements, I only need 
to add another 5%. And after many people contribute 5%, the project 
becomes effective. The key is that an initial investment needs to be 
made so that others can make small additions and get a lot of value.

So base requirement we need to produce for the showcase is:

1. One server with multiple virtual machines which OTHER people can add 
their products into.
2. A marketing pipeline - in the form of conferences (which the OGC & 
OSGeo should be able to provide at no extra cost).
3. Suggestions for a scenario, which are used by OTHERS when building 
their presentations.

Base 0 functionality will contain:
1. PostGIS database
2. Some other database
3. Mapserver WMS/WFS
4. Geoserver WMS/WFS
5. Some other WMS/WFS

I expect that software developer communities will set up these services 
for us.

That is it.

Other vendors can then invest their own time to add extra functionality.


mapbutcher wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I have a couple of concerns:
>
> 1. Within the context of the conference next year we have a small 
> amount of people at this stage and a growing set of tasks to complete. 
> From comments made by Gavin, Paul, Jeff, Dave etc to this list and 
> from my conversations with others who are regularly involved with 
> running conferences - it will be a significant amount of work - which 
> we shouldn't under-estimate. I don't want to rain on this as I agree 
> with Cameron - a successful integration showcase is a draw card, but 
> given our very tight resources is it going to be realistically achievable?
> 2. What is it we are actually talking about  - I'm keen to avoid 
> discussions about servers/platforms/who owns what etc etc until we are 
> clear on what we are proposing
>
> So I would like to propose that we direct discussions in the direction 
> of scope - this will hopefully provide us all with a common 
> understanding of what we are trying to achieve, and it provides us 
> with a clear definition which we can take out to a wider community to 
> canvas interest.
>
> The GeoSpatial Integration Showcase might be an event which is
>
> :supported by permanent or temporary infrastructure?
> :supported by an environment which can host multiple operating 
> systems\configurations?
> :is open to open source projects and proprietary vendors?
> :can support some kind of benchmarking of system to system performance?
> :promotes the use of OGC standards as a means to integrate technology?
> :demonstrates a purpose which is beyond pure demonstration of 
> component integration?
> :has a common theme which can be conveyed to all participants?
> :has a common set of data which can be shared by all participants?
>
> One approach is to focus on developing a framework which is 
> transferable and continues to be attractive to participants. Where 
> participants can integrate on a level playing field, with a known set 
> of constants (infrastructure, environment, data, scenario)? What are 
> the outputs of this repeatable event? Perhaps the big picture is a 
> project which supports the continuing development of these showcase 
> events, with a website supporting the publication of the annual 
> theme/scenario and data, where the *rules of engagement* are clear for 
> all participants to see, where interested parties can find out 
> information on the purpose of the annual integration showcase and see 
> the results of previous years event? A facility which provides 
> organisations with a set of use cases and demonstrated technology 
> solutions - this is where i think the real value is.
>
> On a practical level what might this involve?
>
> At FOSS4G 2009 we aim to prove the concept. We do not invest on a 
> permanent basis but rather lay out a simple set of principles and aim 
> to get a number of committed participants (I think even this is 
> ambitious given our time frames, commitments etc). We aim primarily at 
> proving and understanding the process so we can pass it on, the 
> results should change from event to event?
>
> My feeling is that these larger questions need to be clear before we 
> go and think about formalising things?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
> 2008/10/30 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>
>     Read from bottom to top: discussion between OGC and OSGeo about a
>     Geospatial Integration Showcase:
>
>     I'm +1 for server installed with Virtual Machines as suggested by
>     Raj and Bruce.
>
>     In answer to Raj's question, I believe the OGC should be custodian
>     of the Showcase VM/Server. To attract vendors, the Showcase should
>     not be locked into one vendor, or open source solution.
>
>     CCed to the foss4g list with permission from Bruce, Raj and myself.
>
>     Greg, it would be good to move over to an OGC email list soon if
>     you are able to provide that infrastructure.
>
>
>     Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>
>         Cameron,
>
>         We still need a better definition of what this 'thing' is that
>         we are
>         trying to put together.
>
>         You have provided a good start with your example, however I
>         find it
>         difficult to believe that all vendors would like their
>         products mastered
>         on an Open Source DVD.
>
>         Ideally, I'd like to see this run, managed and maintained by
>         the OGC to
>         ensure that the perception of a Level Playing Field is
>         maintained. We
>         can and should help to drive 'it'.
>
>
>         For another suggestion as to what 'it' might be:
>
>         I agree with the need for a scenario driven approach, however this
>         should be portable. We'll want to allow additional scenarios
>         in the
>         future if this 'thing' is to be portable.
>
>
>         We could look at sourcing a high performance server and run
>         something
>         like VMWare ESX Server as the host platform. OGC would be
>         responsible
>         for administering the ESX server.
>
>
>         We could then offer each vendor the opportunity to configure a
>         virtual
>         server using their Operating System of choice, configured and
>         tuned to
>         ensure optimal performance for their products. The vendor would be
>         responsible for maintaining 'their' virtual server.
>
>
>         During the event, ESX Admin consoles would need to be made
>         public to
>         ensure that all participants to see that all virtual servers were
>         allocated equal resources.
>
>
>         This would then give us a level playing field with which to
>         compare
>         product performance on the same set of data.
>
>
>         This is another take on an 'Integration Showcase'.
>
>
>         Bruce
>
>           --
>           Bruce Bannerman
>           Supervisor, Climate Centre Computing Support
>           National Climate Centre
>           Bureau of Meteorology
>           700 Collins Street, Melbourne, Vic 3001
>           Australia
>           Tel: +61 3 9669 4093
>
>
>
>          
>          
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Raj Singh [mailto:rsingh at opengeospatial.org
>             <mailto:rsingh at opengeospatial.org>] Sent: Thursday, 30
>             October 2008 8:04 AM
>             To: Cameron Shorter
>             Cc: Greg Buehler; Simon Hope; Bruce Bannerman; Jeff McKenna
>             Subject: Re: Geospatial Integration Showcase - meeting notes
>
>             You talk about creating a server that moves around to
>             different venues. I like this idea as it would do a few
>             things:
>             - deployable on a LAN, avoiding exploitative Internet
>             access costs at conferences
>             - take the speed vagaries of the general Internet out of
>             the equation when examining performance
>             - easier to tweak and administer as it wouldn't be behind
>             a firewall or subject to some rigid sys admin
>
>             However, who would own it or at least be the caretaker?
>             OGF? OGC?  Would it be passed down to FOSS4G conference
>             committees?
>             ---
>             Raj
>
>
>             On Oct 29, at 3:57 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
>                
>
>                 Raj, Greg, Simon, Bruce, Jeff,
>                 I'd like to CC this email to the foss4g email list for
>                 transparency and archiving. Could you please confirm
>                 to me that it is ok.
>                 I have ACTION items listed below.
>
>                 =Geospatial Integration Showcase Teleconference=
>
>                 29 October 2008
>
>
>                      
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>             http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=29&y
>             <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=29&y>
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>
>                 ear=2008&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>
>                 Next meeting in 2 weeks:
>                 Tu/We 11 or 12 November 2008. 5pm in New York. 8am in
>                 Sydney.
>
>                      
>
>             http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=12&y
>             <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=12&y>
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>                 ear=2008&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>
>                 Present:
>                 * Greg Buehler OGC,
>                 * Raj Singh OGC,
>                 * Cameron Shorter LISAsoft, FOSS4G Australia,
>                 * Bruce Bannerman Bureau of Meteorology, FOSS4G Australia,
>                 * Simon Hope, ESRI Australia, FOSS4G Australia,
>                 * Jeff McKenna, OSGeo Conference/FOSS4G Committees
>
>                 Agenda:
>                 * Define Integration Showcase
>                 * Identify action items to achieve showcase
>
>                 Wiki:
>                 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geospatial_Integration_Showcase
>
>                 ==Discussion==
>                 Cameron's definition of showcase:
>                 # The Geospatial Integration Showcase provides an
>                 easily      
>
>             deployable,    
>
>                 practical demonstration of standards based
>                 interoperability between geospatial applications.
>                 # Easily redeployed between conferences # Install
>                 software on one server with numerous virtual machines.
>                 # Client software on another computer
>                 # Open Source LiveDVD will provide core functionality
>
>                 ==Discussion==
>                 Over email for the next 2 weeks we need to define the
>                 Integration Showcase. Elements that we need to define are:
>
>                 === Scenario ===
>                 * What scenario should we use?
>                 * Scenario needs to satisfy sponsors
>                 * Should be Australian based in order to interest
>                 local FOSS4G attendees
>                 * Noted that Australia is interested in Climate Change
>                 and      
>
>             water (lack    
>
>                 of it)
>                 * Noted that GEOSS have scenarios (from FOSS4G2008?)
>                 that may be applicable.
>                 ** ACTION: Greg/Raj to source GEOSS scenarios
>                 * CSIRO/BOM have mandate and budget to address Climate
>                      
>
>             change and will    
>
>                 likely be interested.
>
>                 === Data ===
>                 * Need to source data suppliers
>                 * Bruce doesn't see a problem sourcing data from
>                 Australian      
>
>             government    
>
>                 agencies
>
>                 === Marketing/Sponsorship ===
>                 * OGC to use their channels to attract vendors and
>                 sponsors
>                 * OGC to add name and take a coordinating role so that
>                 the      
>
>             showcase is    
>
>                 seen as a Standards based showcase, not an Open Source
>                 showcase.
>                 This is important for attracting proprietary vendors.
>                 * OGC likely will be able to provide OGC twiki for
>                 collaboration, including twiki, issue tracker, email
>                 lists. This is better      
>
>             provided    
>
>                 by OGC than OSGeo in order to attract proprietary vendors.
>                 * Marketing material should be created, which will
>                 likely      
>
>             include some    
>
>                 of:
>                 ** Recorded webinar presentation
>                 ** Professionally created movie including screen
>                 captures, anchor voice over, related images, etc
>                 * ACTION: Greg to confirm what OGC can provide and
>                 costs (if any) associated with OGC provided services.
>
>                 === Targeting Vendors ===
>                 * Need to provide attractive value proposition for vendors
>                 * Criteria for vendors is that they are Open
>                 Standards. Proprietary vendors need to be attracted as
>                 well as Open Source. This has been iterated on OSGeo
>                 email lists.
>
>                 === Targeting Geospatial Buyers ===
>                 * Testbed needs to put capabilities in front of buyers
>
>                 === Collaborators on board ===
>                 * Europeans are discussing a "Persistent testbed"
>                 which is very similar. We need to engage these
>                 participants.
>                 * ACTION: Greg/Raj to contact and invite collaboration
>                 with      
>
>             Persistent    
>
>                 testbed stakeholders.
>
>                 === Infrastructure ===
>                 * Still needs to be defined
>                 * Potentially a server with multiple virtual machines
>                 in a      
>
>             conference,    
>
>                 with participants connecting via their clients around
>                 the centre
>
>
>
>                 --
>                 Cameron Shorter
>                 Geospatial Systems Architect
>                 Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
>                 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>
>                 Think Globally, Fix Locally
>                 Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and
>                 Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com
>
>                      
>
>                
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Cameron Shorter
>     Geospatial Systems Architect
>     Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
>     Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>
>     Think Globally, Fix Locally
>     Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
>     http://www.lisasoft.com
>
>


-- 
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Systems Architect
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

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