[FOSS4G2016] "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student Competitions
Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl
gert-jan at osgeo.nl
Wed Sep 30 11:33:05 PDT 2015
Hi Jeff and fellow 2016-LOC-ers,
I am a bit surprised by the mood as well as the message in this mail. Let's see if we can make things clear (at least for me):
First: opinion. I think Suchith and Till made a fine arrangement ("if anything we do would be that easy", Till wrote) on this with a clear separation between an OSGeo award and other awards. That's just my 2 cents.
Second: extent. One can easily extend your logic by applying it to the entire FOSS4G programme: it's OSgeo flagship, so only presentations and workshops on OSGeo projects can enter the FOSS4G stage. I really do hope that OSGeo has a broader view, and remains open to other FOSS4G developments as well.
Third: process. I understood (at a BoF we had in Como) it's up to the LOC to decide what is, and what is not included in FOSS4G's programme. Of course all opinions -as yours stated hereby- are taken into account, but in the end it's the LOC decision. If I'm wrong in my assumption, please let me know.
(one reason I'm reacting on this subject is the fact that Marc Vloemans, Till and I are discussing the FOSS4G marketing plans next Friday. therefore good to know who gives advices, and who makes the final decisions. The other reason is I'm currently involved in the Dutch general geospatial congress "GeoBuzz", under which umbrella the 4th annual "OSGeo.nl day" takes place (nov 25th). This Geobuzz congress has too many organisations at the steering wheel, which consumes a lot of time & energy)
Kind regards from behind the windmills ,
Gert-Jan (just call me GJ, that's easier)
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Van: foss4g2016-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mailto:foss4g2016-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Namens Jeff McKenna
Verzonden: woensdag 30 september 2015 19:07
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Onderwerp: Re: [FOSS4G2016] "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student Competitions
For FOSS4G-Bonn, OSGeo's flagship event, it should be very clear that we
are promoting OSGeo's projects (over 20 projects and also 10 incubating
projects) to be used for all student awards, as a base. As I realize
the ultra importance of students to the foundation's future, students
should be encouraged to use the OSGeo stack (yes that especially
includes the incubating projects, who are in fact starving/craving for
help with building their community) in their projects. Therefore, the
awards should be named the "GeoForAll Challenge", or come up with a name
that includes the other communities of OSGeo, ICA and ISPRS.
The global FOSS4G event is hosted by OSGeo (we will sign liability, we
will provide advance money), and we must, must help build and promote
the OSGeo projects under the foundation's umbrella.
In terms of regional FOSS4Gs, of course you are free to use any software
base for your student competitions; but the annual FOSS4G is different,
here the plenary room is filled with OSGeo community developers and
leaders, and yes let's show them how students have impressively used
their software :) It is win-win.
Can you misinterpret my strong words, as "hating" other communities?
You can, but please do not. I am here to remind GeoForAll that the
global FOSS4G event is hosted by OSGeo, and to please use this
opportunity to promote OSGeo projects in your student awards.
Can a student do a project using PostGIS, MapServer, and Leaflet (not an
OSGeo project), of course, that's encouraged! But at the global FOSS4G
we should not be naming student awards for software not part of OSGeo.
I am sorry if that is too strong.
I have received feedback from so many people (I've said all that in a
previous message to Suchith) on past student awards at past FOSS4Gs.
Well, since this is about 2016, here we can change that.
If you/GeoForAll/anyone disagrees with me, well, please discuss this,
and possibly take this issue (of not promoting OSGeo projects in student
awards at the global FOSS4G) to the OSGeo Conference Committee (they
have a great team of volunteers there to help you), or you can bring
this issue to the OSGeo Board, where I only have a single vote and there
are 8 other wonderful directors to listen to your concerns.
Thanks for listening,
-jeff
On 2015-09-30 12:32 PM, till.adams at fossgis.de wrote:
> Hi Suchith,
>
> perfect - if anything we do would be that easy ;-)
>
> Regards, Till
>
>
> Am 2015-09-30 17:26, schrieb Suchith Anand:
>> Thanks Till. That is excellent idea. I also see no reason why we
>> should limit to only one student competition. So we will have an OSGeo
>> award based on OSGeo projects and also awards for any additional
>> student competitions.
>>
>> I will discuss with MapStory colleagues (and i am confident we will
>> be able to find a sponsor for the "Geo4All-MapStory Challenge" ).
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith
>> ________________________________________
>> From: till.adams at fossgis.de [till.adams at fossgis.de]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:20 PM
>> To: Suchith Anand
>> Cc: Jeff McKenna; Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker; Jonathan Marino;
>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato; Charles Schweik;
>> Nikos Lambrinos; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); list
>> Subject: RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student
>> Competitions
>>
>> Hi Suchith,
>>>
>>> The main principle for Geo4All is Openness in GeoEducation. So we
>>> will follow up this idea in Geo4All. We can make this an "Geo4All -
>>> MapStory Challenge" ; (not for the main FOSS4G conference) but for
>>> some other opportunities in the future . I will discuss ideas for
>>> that in the Geo4All lists and get everyone's inputs/ideas on how we
>>> can make that happen.
>>
>> why not including that award also into the FOSS4G as well? In Seoul
>> there have been two student awards and I do not see a problem for this
>> at all. All i wanted to, is to make sure, that we have an OSgeo award
>> based on OSGeo projects on the conference, and I guess that is, what
>> Jeff also supports.
>>
>> Till
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Suchith
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: till.adams at fossgis.de [till.adams at fossgis.de]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 3:33 PM
>>> To: Jeff McKenna
>>> Cc: Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker; Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta
>>> Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato; Charles Schweik; Nikos
>>> Lambrinos; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); list
>>> Subject: Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student
>>> Competitions
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I follow Jeffs argumentation, I didn't check for the license of
>>> MapStory. In general it is like Jeff told: If this is an OSGeo event,
>>> at
>>> least for the OSgeo award (and I do not see any alternative on that)
>>> should follow OSGeo guidelines.
>>>
>>> So in general I stand also and support an OSgeo student award based
>>> on
>>> OSGeo projects.
>>>
>>> If there is another award (like in Seoul there was) which is paid by
>>> someone else, the guidelines might be different.
>>>
>>> (and I added the f4g 2016 local team list in the "CC's")
>>>
>>> Till
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 2015-09-29 21:39, schrieb Jeff McKenna:
>>>> OSGeo has about 10 projects in incubation, actually craving for
>>>> attention, publicity, help, to build their community, plus over 20
>>>> full OSGeo projects also wanting to continue building their strong
>>>> communities. If we are speaking of FOSS4G regional events, that are
>>>> actually not hosted by OSGeo, of course, please do promote any
>>>> software, but since this original message was in regards to FOSS4G
>>>> 2016 and sent directly to Till, the chair, yes I must make a stand,
>>>> for all of our projects in incubation and under our umbrella - the
>>>> student awards are a perfect place to promote our projects, as I've
>>>> said before, as students are the future of the industry. Getting
>>>> students using these projects is one of the keys to success for our
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this thread now moves to the public lists, where you can
>>>> share
>>>> my thoughts as-is.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has thoughts that I am not open to other communities: I go
>>>> out of my way to accept other communities and projects (I even
>>>> worked
>>>> with Esri developers as part of a past FOSS4G benchmarking exercise
>>>> in
>>>> 2009). But for the closing plenary of our big event, the eyes of
>>>> OSGeo are on us, and yes we must promote our community's software.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that I may be the only one making this stand. But, as
>>>> OSGeo President, as a founding co-chair of GeoForAll, as one of the
>>>> 3
>>>> founders of FOSS4G, I hope you listen to my opinion and then discuss
>>>> this with the GeoForAll community (talking is important). Decisions
>>>> like this might seem minor, but impact a lot of people.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeff McKenna
>>>> President, OSGeo
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-09-29 3:54 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>> Hi Suchith,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is unfortunate that you suggest removing OSGeo's sponsorship,
>>>>> very
>>>>> drastic. I also never mentioned any project by name. I did
>>>>> however
>>>>> request that you follow these guidelines for future FOSS4G events.
>>>>> It
>>>>> is unfortunate that you disagree. In that case, please do bring
>>>>> this
>>>>> discussion public (it should not be a private thread with just me
>>>>> defending OSGeo in its own conference).
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tell you that I get feedback (imagine in the closing plenary
>>>>> of
>>>>> FOSSS4G, in a big room filled with OSGeo project leads and
>>>>> developers)
>>>>> and then seeing software that is not truly Open Source and OSGeo.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of conferences and events, but FOSS4G is hosted by
>>>>> OSGeo,
>>>>> and we must promote our projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do bring this to the public list. You can leave all of my
>>>>> words
>>>>> as-is.
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-09-29 3:48 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies if i did not correctly understand correctly. My humble
>>>>>> opinion is that we have to be Open minded NOT narrow minded in
>>>>>> terms
>>>>>> of education. I cannot understand why MapStory platform cannot be
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> for running a student competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what i understand, MapStory is an openly licensed data
>>>>>>> commons,
>>>>>>> an Open Educational Resource, that is OGC compliant, built on
>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>> source geo http://www.GeoNode.org. It is intended explicitly for
>>>>>>> students to be able to organize and share what they know about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world spatially and temporally.This is exactly the kind of
>>>>>>> spatial
>>>>>>> learning platform we need for expanding geoeducation for schools.
>>>>>>> Just because it is not an OSGeo project does not mean it should
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> not be used. The main principle we need to look into is Openness
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> GeoEducation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should support and make use ofMapStory.org , as an alternative
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> proprietary ones like ArcGISOnline, so that students and teachers
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> make use of this for learning purposes without being dependent on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mercy of the proprietary vendor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me , OSGeo represents Openness and welcome to everyone who
>>>>>> follows
>>>>>> the ideals. If we want to truly expand Geoeducation then please
>>>>>> welcome and support other initiatives into OSGeo and not look down
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> them (just because they are not OSGeo projects). This is the kind
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> spirit that we need , if we truly want to expand geoeducation
>>>>>> opportunities for all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think the 1k USD sponsorship for student awards is the
>>>>>> issue,
>>>>>> then no problem , we can try to find another sponsor who will be
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> minded to support this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:42 PM
>>>>>> To: Suchith Anand; till.adams at fossgis.de
>>>>>> Cc: Christopher Tucker; Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta
>>>>>> Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato; Charles Schweik; Nikos
>>>>>> Lambrinos; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student
>>>>>> Competitions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Suchith, Till, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think if we are speaking openly now, we should always remember
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the global FOSS4G is hosted by the OSGeo foundation; in that
>>>>>> sense,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> feel that it is extremely important to showcase the OSGeo software
>>>>>> projects, and yes, especially to the students. What I saw at some
>>>>>> past
>>>>>> FOSS4G events was student competitions based around other software
>>>>>> (software that has nothing to do with OSGeo's event in fact, and
>>>>>> arguably software that is not even truly Open Source).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of branding, this is a small detail but if we follow
>>>>>> this,
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> helps expand the name OSGeo, point out our strong standards and
>>>>>> benefits
>>>>>> of being a part of the OSGeo community, and helps the foundation
>>>>>> grow
>>>>>> globally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This could also be a great time to discuss these other projects
>>>>>> that you
>>>>>> like to promote to enter into the OSGeo umbrella, through our
>>>>>> incubation
>>>>>> process. There is a whole team of volunteers willing to help
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I hope we can always keep this in mind, for each and every
>>>>>> FOSS4G
>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeff McKenna
>>>>>> President, OSGeo
>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-09-29 2:32 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Till,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to start putting our ideas for the Student
>>>>>>> competition for
>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2016. You can get some ideas of our thinking based on our
>>>>>>> discussions below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our thinking is to organise the Student competitions for FOSS4G
>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>> conference using the MapStory platform as it will be excellent
>>>>>>> tool for
>>>>>>> widening participation (esp. to school level). The biggest
>>>>>>> advantage of
>>>>>>> using MapStory platform in addition to its openness is also the
>>>>>>> simplicity. So schools with very little resources even in
>>>>>>> developing
>>>>>>> countries can also participate (all they need is an internet
>>>>>>> connected
>>>>>>> PC ).Having Geo4All MapStory Challenge put in place, which we can
>>>>>>> aim to
>>>>>>> run every year at FOSS4G main conference will be excellent for
>>>>>>> spreading
>>>>>>> the message and building up global momentum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on feedbacks from the community, Geo4All will do the
>>>>>>> background
>>>>>>> work of the competition (in close links with the LOC and MapStory
>>>>>>> Foundation).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With MapStory Challenge , we can now open up new opportunities
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>> school level students and their teachers to also participate in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Student competitions at the main FOSS4G conference. Also MapStory
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>> good example of spatial learning platform we want to encourage
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> expanding geoeducation for schools as an alternative to
>>>>>>> proprietary ones
>>>>>>> and having a dedicated competition will be big boost for our
>>>>>>> efforts. We
>>>>>>> will need lot of efforts to get a good system in place for the
>>>>>>> competition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also to make it clear - We have only small budget (maximum 1000
>>>>>>> USD )
>>>>>>> from the OSGeo Foundation for the Student Awards . Maybe some
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> might join in (like in Seoul, though we cannot confirm as of now)
>>>>>>> BUT we
>>>>>>> are very lucky to have a dedicated team of amazing people who
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> us make this possible including support from Chris Tucker of
>>>>>>> MapStory
>>>>>>> Foundation for providing the competition platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We look forward to your ideas/inputs on how we can move forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:39 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Charles Schweik; Nikos Lambrinos
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Christopher Tucker; Suchith Anand; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>> Elżbieta
>>>>>>> Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nikos and Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Howdy! I just wanted to chime in with what Charlie has to say. It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> very encouraging to hear the words of Nikos and sense the level
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> dedication and commitment to excellence. We often feel ourselves
>>>>>>> as very
>>>>>>> lonely peaceful warriors for a better world, but in fact there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> pressing forward with all their might, so that the future might
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> better for all. Without a better future, there is none. We must
>>>>>>> all be
>>>>>>> as informed as possible as to the state of our world. This is
>>>>>>> greatly
>>>>>>> helped if we can share our story, and it should feel good to
>>>>>>> share, or
>>>>>>> if not good, at least feel like we are helping truth to be more
>>>>>>> visible.
>>>>>>> A life with purpose is a full one that reverberates deeply in the
>>>>>>> sweetest possible way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Charles Schweik [mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:20 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Nikos Lambrinos
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Christopher Tucker; Suchith Anand; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX);
>>>>>>> Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inspiring Nikos, and thank you for your amazing commitment. I
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>> thinking of you (even though we haven't met in person) during
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> tough days this summer with your country's financial issues and
>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>> things become better!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing we can do is continue to work in small subteams toward
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> after funding and then keep trying to leverage those
>>>>>>> collaborative
>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>> in other funding opportunities. A sort of hybrid open source
>>>>>>> grant-getting I guess, between subsets of our community members
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> shared visions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:03 PM, <labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read all this discussion which is very interesting. I would
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> add my experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general I agree with Patrick because in our times nothing is
>>>>>>> easy to
>>>>>>> done without funding. Yes, not easy but not impossible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When, three years ago, I applied for the establishment of the
>>>>>>> Hellenic
>>>>>>> digital earth Centre of Excellence I was asked who is going to
>>>>>>> finance
>>>>>>> the Centre. I said, no one. They couldn’t believe that it will
>>>>>>> work. I
>>>>>>> said that it will be supported by volunteers. And, if it works
>>>>>>> then it
>>>>>>> will be great, if it doesn’t then we have nothing to lose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After three years the Centre has a lot of activities to show, lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> seminars and workshops, and lot of teaching materials for the
>>>>>>> teachers
>>>>>>> and students. The only problem is that we can’t do things
>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> have spent a lot of money from my pocket and I will keep spending
>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>> the Centre gets funding. I am not going to quit. Everything would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> easier if the Centre was funded (I have tried it but haven’t
>>>>>>> succeeded
>>>>>>> yet due to the financial crisis in Greece) but me and my
>>>>>>> colleagues will
>>>>>>> keep working for the Centre.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the spirit. Don’t lose your courage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wishes to all wonderful people of the network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nikos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Nikos Lambrinos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Associate Professor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dept. of Primary Education
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greece, GR-54124
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tel. +30 2310 991201
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web pages: _http://labrinos.webpages.auth.gr/digital_geography/_
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _http://www.digital-earth.edu.gr/_
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Christopher Tucker [mailto:christopher.tucker at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:christopher.tucker at gmail.com>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:56 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Suchith Anand
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta
>>>>>>> Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C Fortunato
>>>>>>> (ron at trilliumlearning.com <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really appreciate what Patrick is trying to communicate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a "startup guy" who has started up a number of things, I
>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>> his characterization of what it takes to succeed without a large
>>>>>>> purse!
>>>>>>> - "a combination of a ridiculous amount of politicking,
>>>>>>> sorcery,
>>>>>>> favors, friendships, good luck, and just plain stupendous
>>>>>>> investment of
>>>>>>> work, blue-collar, grass-root, white-collar, directorial work,
>>>>>>> then more
>>>>>>> work." !!!! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question to Patrick is "what is the minimum purse size to get
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> attention of the vast majority of our target population. $10k
>>>>>>> might be
>>>>>>> feasible. $250k would not be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I share your (Suchith) enthusiasm, and am happy to move forward
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> a huge purse, just to get the word out, without any illusions
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> will get the response that a large purse would enable. Patrick, I
>>>>>>> believe is spot on. But, alas, starting things up is a painful
>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>> that startup folks have to embrace! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Christopher K Tucker
>>>>>>> Chairman of the Board of Trustees
>>>>>>> The MapStory Foundation
>>>>>>> @MapStory
>>>>>>> tucker at mapstory.org <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>
>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Suchith Anand
>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know it is hard work but if we want to expand geoeducation
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> Open principles to schools globally , i see this as a great
>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is suggest is if MapStory Foundation (Chris, Jon) are
>>>>>>> happy to
>>>>>>> do what Maria Brovelli and Politecnico di Milano did for
>>>>>>> Europa
>>>>>>> challenge then that is a good starting point. More
>>>>>>> importantly, the
>>>>>>> competion will help spread wide awareness among teacher
>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>> worldwide that there is an alternative to ArcGIS Online and
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> freely make use of MapStory if they want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will request all our labs to send the info. out to their
>>>>>>> students, so even if we get 20 labs to participate in the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>> it is a good start. Because the entry level is low (they do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> need to be programmers!) we will have more participation.
>>>>>>> Slowly
>>>>>>> based on experience we will build upon it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris - what do you think? Will you be able to provide
>>>>>>> background
>>>>>>> support for this competition?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
>>>>>>> <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2015 3:54 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron
>>>>>>> C Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need the cold trout treatment, one good whack upside the
>>>>>>> head!
>>>>>>> $1,000 is peanuts. It’s a financial fig-leaf. A very nice
>>>>>>> gesture
>>>>>>> but not anything that will drive interest. Nor will judging
>>>>>>> panels
>>>>>>> **unless** they are ‘required’ to find contestant teams. And
>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>> good ones are hard to find, even without them working to
>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>> contestant teams. I am just trying to let you know, that the
>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>> of activity to generate ‘’real’ tangible interest is a
>>>>>>> combination
>>>>>>> of a ridiculous amount of politicking, sorcery, favors,
>>>>>>> friendships,
>>>>>>> good luck, and just plain stupendous investment of work,
>>>>>>> blue-collar, grass-root, white-collar, directorial work,
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> work. Do not be fooled that a good idea gets a good
>>>>>>> following. You
>>>>>>> will need to pound the bushes long and hard. I’m trying to
>>>>>>> sober
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> up now rather than have you face disappointment later. And I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> love to be completely off-base here. Just giving you a bit
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>> from my three-year experience. And without Prof Maria
>>>>>>> Brovelli and
>>>>>>> Politecnico di Milano at Como, we would have never even
>>>>>>> gotten off
>>>>>>> the ground!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (650) 604-5656 <tel:%28650%29%20604-5656> (office)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (650) 269-2788 <tel:%28650%29%20269-2788> (cell)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand [mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:22 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Suchith Anand; Christopher
>>>>>>> Tucker
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron
>>>>>>> C Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, i now understand . True, we do not have a big purse but
>>>>>>> atleast
>>>>>>> we can start with the 1000USD that we have from OSGeo. I can
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> send requests to ICA and ISPRS to contribute. But you are
>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>> right, this is something we need to think of how to attract
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> participation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But IMHO , more than the prize money, it is also getting the
>>>>>>> judging
>>>>>>> panels, infrastucture etc in place that is hard work. With
>>>>>>> MapStory
>>>>>>> platform in place (and we will need to get bit of help from
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>> Jon to setup a dedicated website and introductory tutorial
>>>>>>> links,
>>>>>>> instructions to teachers, participants etc) we are well
>>>>>>> placed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
>>>>>>> <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2015 3:10 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron
>>>>>>> C Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s what I am trying to inform you of. You can promote
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> worldwide and with plenty of chutzpah, but without a big
>>>>>>> purse
>>>>>>> ($$$), you just don’t get traction. Without a big purse
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> attracts too many teams to judge on this scale anyway, you
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> actually find the teams directly (I mean **directly**), then
>>>>>>> encourage others accordingly (*directly*). I’d like to be
>>>>>>> wrong or
>>>>>>> at least rich so I could help more with the ($$$). But I am
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> letting you know, it’s not a **promote it** and they will
>>>>>>> come’
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> of success story. You need to fight it hand-to-hand down in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> “mud, blood and beer” (from ‘A Boy Named Sue’ by Johnny
>>>>>>> Cash).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand [mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:58 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Suchith Anand; Christopher
>>>>>>> Tucker
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron
>>>>>>> C Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick, We have to put lot of efforts to get prospective
>>>>>>> teams to
>>>>>>> apply but i am confident if we plan the MapStory competition
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work hard to get it launched at Geography2050 and promote it
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> all our networks (ICA, OSGeo, ISPRS etc) , we will get good
>>>>>>> response. The Barbara Petchenik Competition map drawing
>>>>>>> competition for children run by ICA is an excellent example
>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>> should look into . The aim of the contest is to promote the
>>>>>>> creative representation of the world in graphic form by
>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>> Details are at http://icaci.org/petchenik/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With MapStory Challenge , we can now open up new
>>>>>>> opportunities for
>>>>>>> high school level students and their teachers to also
>>>>>>> participate in
>>>>>>> the G4A Student competitions at the main FOSS4G conference.
>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>> MapStory is a good example of spatial learning platform we
>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>> encourage for expanding geoeducation for schools as an
>>>>>>> alternative
>>>>>>> to proprietary ones and having a dedicated competition will
>>>>>>> be big
>>>>>>> boost for our efforts. We will need lot of efforts to get a
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> system in place for the competition. All ideas/inputs
>>>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Europa Challenge as we discussed, we will expand with
>>>>>>> Research
>>>>>>> Data Alliance IGs to setup G4A-RDA-NASA "Smart City
>>>>>>> challenge".
>>>>>>> With Ron's and Charlie's help i am sure we will be able to
>>>>>>> expand
>>>>>>> this also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
>>>>>>> <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2015 1:59 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron
>>>>>>> C Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I am the ‘spiritual brain’ of the Europa Challenge?!
>>>>>>> There’s an
>>>>>>> oxymoron for you! Or something quite beyond, yet still
>>>>>>> adding
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> up, a kind of Sufi Astrophysicist or Banking Buddha (a.k.a.
>>>>>>> It’s a
>>>>>>> Wonderful Life).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The one thing to know is that it is nowhere near ‘build it
>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>> will come.’ You must blow on the coals round-the-clock with
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> might. . .inquire, nurture, sustain, cajole, threaten and
>>>>>>> beg
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> prospective teams to apply themselves to the ‘worthy’
>>>>>>> effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another thought is to benefit from what Ron Fortunato is
>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>> www.aWorldBridge.com <http://www.aWorldBridge.com>, whether
>>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Global Earthquake Forecast System or the environmental
>>>>>>> evaluation
>>>>>>> work Ron is doing with Charlie Schweik. Both have lots of
>>>>>>> tech,
>>>>>>> plenty of science and all geospatial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.edlinesites.net/pages/America_Bridge_Project/Europa_Challenge/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://westemthefuture.wordpress.com/summer-2015/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (650) 604-5656 <tel:%28650%29%20604-5656> (office)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (650) 269-2788 <tel:%28650%29%20269-2788> (cell)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand [mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:20 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Christopher Tucker; Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Hogan, Patrick
>>>>>>> (ARC-PX)
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excellent Chris. Let us then plan ideas for this with Jon
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> to make this happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The good news is we now have the mandate and opportunity to
>>>>>>> fully
>>>>>>> organise the Student competitions for FOSS4G events (both
>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> regional) and i believe competitions build on MapStory
>>>>>>> platform
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be excellent for widening participation (esp. to school
>>>>>>> level).I
>>>>>>> think the biggest advantage of using MapStory platform in
>>>>>>> addition
>>>>>>> to its openness is also the simplicity. So schools with very
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> resources even in developing countries canalso participate
>>>>>>> (all
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> need is an internet connected PC )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ela (cc in) is already planning our inputs for FOSS4G 2016
>>>>>>> Bonn and
>>>>>>> having Geo4All MapStory Challenge put in place, which we can
>>>>>>> aim to
>>>>>>> runevery year at FOSS4G main conference will be excellent
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> spreading the message and building up global momentum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick (cc in) is the spiritual brain behind the successful
>>>>>>> Europa
>>>>>>> challenge http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.itI am sure he
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>> happy to share any inputs needs from his experiences andwe
>>>>>>> canlearn
>>>>>>> many things from Europa challenge, for example having
>>>>>>> student
>>>>>>> teams
>>>>>>> to participate (each team with a teacher and 3-5 students).
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> will also help us to expand the Teacher Training activities
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> MapStory platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geography2050 will be an excellent platform to launch this
>>>>>>> initiative (if you are attending this, then please use that
>>>>>>> opportunity to launch this). This empowerment of teachers
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and openness is what we want Geography education to look in
>>>>>>> 2050.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: Don't worry ,Next time you are at Nottingham, i will
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> arrangements so you can be at England’s first pub :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Christopher Tucker [tucker at mapstory.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:36 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>> Marino
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You rock.What a great idea.Would love to support this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not at the Nottingham meetings.Wish I were!Last time I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> there, I was hoping to go to England’s first pub, but I
>>>>>>> missed it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to move the ball forward on a Geo4All MapStory
>>>>>>> Challenge.Let me research how the Europa Challenge
>>>>>>> unfolded.I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> afraid I did not watch it closely enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any general input on how we should think about this?November
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be a good timeframe for doing something.Our relaunched site
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> coming imminentlyAnd, we have a few features and bugs that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>> to clear out by mid-October.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for thinking of us!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Christopher K Tucker
>>>>>>> Chairman of the Board of Trustees
>>>>>>> The MapStory Foundation
>>>>>>> @MapStory
>>>>>>> tucker at mapstory.org <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>
>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>>>>> *Date:* September 15, 2015 at 8:47:54 AM EDT
>>>>>>> *To:* Christopher Tucker <tucker at mapstory.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>>, Suchith Anand
>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* "labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>"
>>>>>>> <labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>>,
>>>>>>> Jonathan Marino <marino at mapstory.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:marino at mapstory.org>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* *"Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope you are doing well Are you participating in OGC
>>>>>>> Nottingham meetings?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will need to plan ideas for more collaborations
>>>>>>> forMapStory.
>>>>>>> From the success of Patrick's Europa challenge, i am
>>>>>>> thinking of having a similar challenge for MapStory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw details of http://www.geography2050.org
>>>>>>> <http://www.geography2050.org/>. May i suggest that
>>>>>>> we use
>>>>>>> this opportunity to launch "Geo4All - MapStory
>>>>>>> Challenge" .
>>>>>>> Geo4All will also be pleased to be one of the
>>>>>>> symposium
>>>>>>> partners for Geography 2050. What do you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:*Christopher Tucker [tucker at mapstory.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 04, 2015 1:04 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Suchith Anand
>>>>>>> *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>;
>>>>>>> Jonathan Marino
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Paper about FOSS
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> geospatial education
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for my delay.I did not see this email when it
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> came across my inbox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nikos,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, my Greek is not very good! ;-)But, I
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> click on some of the links.And, some of them are
>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>> about change over time.These are perfect for
>>>>>>> MapStory.org
>>>>>>> <http://mapstory.org/>!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for mapping local history, an early leader in the
>>>>>>> MapStory community, Nitin Gadia mapped his home
>>>>>>> town,
>>>>>>> Ames
>>>>>>> Iowa, building by building and parcel by parcel from
>>>>>>> 1862
>>>>>>> until now:http://mapstory.org/maps/475/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He did this in 80 hours of his own time, getting
>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the city, state, and Ames Historical Society and
>>>>>>> putting it
>>>>>>> in to MapStory.In retrospect, he was sure he could
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> the same in 5 hours.So, he dubbed his effort
>>>>>>> “MapStory
>>>>>>> Local” and put together a cookbook that people could
>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>> in their home towns.
>>>>>>> (http://wiki.mapstory.org/wiki/MapStory_Local,
>>>>>>> http://www.thenittygritty.org/mapstorylocal).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, he is not really a GIS guy.Just a reasonably
>>>>>>> smart guy
>>>>>>> who had a goal.So, I think the same thing could be
>>>>>>> done by
>>>>>>> smart high-school kids around the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, there are many other cool spatio-temporal
>>>>>>> datasets and stories that students and classes could
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>> together and share as part of interesting learning
>>>>>>> experiences.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would be happy to talk if you think there is any
>>>>>>> value in
>>>>>>> MapStory to you and your classes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if we can be of help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Christopher K Tucker
>>>>>>> Chairman of the Board of Trustees
>>>>>>> The MapStory Foundation
>>>>>>> @MapStory
>>>>>>> tucker at mapstory.org <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>
>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Suchith Anand
>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Nikos for sharing this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am ccing Chrisas well, as maybe we can think of
>>>>>>> ideas of
>>>>>>> enabling this "The introduction of GIS and GPS
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>> history teaching in primary school"using MapStory,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> other teachers can start using the idea for thier
>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris - what do you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>
>>>>>>> [labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>]
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:47 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Suchith Anand'
>>>>>>> Cc: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Paper about FOSS into
>>>>>>> geospatial education
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is exactly what the Hellenic digital earth
>>>>>>> Centre of
>>>>>>> Excellence is
>>>>>>> doing the last two years. We use ArcGIS Online in
>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>> schools and the
>>>>>>> children have done wonderful job like, tourist maps
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> village etc.
>>>>>>> You can see these maps in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.digital-earth.edu.gr/index.php/el/newsmodule/2015-05-14-20-50-38/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> schoolrelated which is in Greek but you can have an
>>>>>>> idea of
>>>>>>> what we have
>>>>>>> achieved almost with no cost. The students have been
>>>>>>> responding responsibly
>>>>>>> and this gives us more courage to continue in the
>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>> Anyone interested in this can download the article
>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>> introduction of GIS
>>>>>>> and GPS through local history teaching in primary
>>>>>>> school" from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eurogeographyjournal.eu/articles/2.THE%20INTRODUCTION%20OF%20GIS%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.eurogeographyjournal.eu/articles/2.THE%20INTRODUCTION%20OF%20GIS%25>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 20AND%20GPS%20THROUGH%20LOCAL%20HISTORY%20TEACHING%20IN%20PRIMARY%20SCHOOL-2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> Nikos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>> Dr. Nikos Lambrinos
>>>>>>> Associate Professor
>>>>>>> Dept. of Primary Education
>>>>>>> Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki
>>>>>>> Greece, GR-54124
>>>>>>> Tel. +30 2310 991201
>>>>>>> Email: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>
>>>>>>> Web pages:
>>>>>>> http://labrinos.webpages.auth.gr/digital_geography/
>>>>>>> http://www.digital-earth.edu.gr/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Suchith Anand
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: Mueller, Thomas; Vaclav Petras; ICA OSGeo Labs
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Paper about FOSS into
>>>>>>> geospatial education
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great work Vaclav.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand from Dr. Christopher K Tucker (Chairman
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> Board of
>>>>>>> Trustees, The MapStory Foundation) cc in that when
>>>>>>> MapStory
>>>>>>> http://MapStory.org <http://mapstory.org/>
>>>>>>> relaunched
>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>> in June, it will be an openly licensed
>>>>>>> data commons, an Open Educational Resource, that is
>>>>>>> OGC
>>>>>>> compliant, built on
>>>>>>> open source geohttp://www.GeoNode.org
>>>>>>> <http://www.geonode.org/> .It is intended explicitly
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> students to be able to organize and share what they
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> about the world
>>>>>>> spatially and temporally.And, in the redesign, they
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> open up
>>>>>>> distributed versioned editing of change over time,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> students can
>>>>>>> collaborate on data collection projects, and then
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> own stories
>>>>>>> with this data. This is exactly the kind of spatial
>>>>>>> learning
>>>>>>> platform we
>>>>>>> need for expanding geoeducation for schools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest that,GeoForAll should support and make use
>>>>>>> ofMapStory.org <http://mapstory.org/>,
>>>>>>> as an alternative to proprietary ones like
>>>>>>> ArcGISOnline, so
>>>>>>> that students
>>>>>>> and teachers can make use of this for learning
>>>>>>> purposes
>>>>>>> without being
>>>>>>> dependent on the mercy of the proprietary vendor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know your thoughts/ideas. We will add
>>>>>>> MapStory
>>>>>>> to our training
>>>>>>> resources section and promote this to all educators.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
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>>>>>>> expressed
>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> University of Nottingham.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> an
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>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be
>>>>>>> monitored as
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>>>>>>> permitted by UK legislation.
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Professor, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dept of Environmental Conservation and Center for Public Policy
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Administration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal website: http://people.umass.edu/cschweik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Publications: http://works.bepress.com/charles_schweik/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Author, Internet Success: A Study of Open Source Software (MIT
>>>>>>> Press,
>>>>>>> 2012) - see http://tinyurl.com/d3e4545
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q: Why do I try my best to keep my emails to five sentences or
>>>>>>> less?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A: http://five.sentenc.es
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the
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>>>>>>> this
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>>>>>>> delete it.
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>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the
>>>>>>> University of Nottingham.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>>>>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks.
>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> permitted by UK legislation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the
>>>>>> addressee
>>>>>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately
>>>>>> delete
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the
>>>>>> University of Nottingham.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>>>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>>>>>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> permitted by UK legislation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this
>>> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this
>>> message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the
>>> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the
>>> University of Nottingham.
>>>
>>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>>> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as
>>> permitted by UK legislation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee
>> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this
>> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.
>>
>> Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this
>> message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the
>> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the
>> University of Nottingham.
>>
>> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an
>> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your
>> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
>> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as
>> permitted by UK legislation.
>
>
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