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<p class="MsoNormal">The homebrew folks just blew me off. Said it was not their problem. So I more or less politely responded that it would be helpful if they could provide me with contact info for the entity that was responsible for the formula. This seems
like a minimal information request.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Gerald C. Nelson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Professor Emeritus, UIUC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">+1 217-390-7888 (cell)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">+1 970-639-2079 (land line)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Skype: jerrynelson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">http://bit.ly/1arho7d<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gerald Nelson <nelson.gerald.c@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Harwood <runette@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>gdal-dev <gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gdal-dev] does GDAL require proj@7?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I posted a note in Homebrew/discussions. The problem seems to be in the json api link -
<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#F9D094;background:#2E2A24">
</span><a href="https://formulae.brew.sh/api/formula/gdal.json"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#D3A459">/api/formula/gdal.json</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Which includes proj@7 rather than just proj. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hopefully whoever can change formulas will see this and fix it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Gerald C. Nelson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Professor Emeritus, UIUC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">+1 217-390-7888 (cell)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">+1 970-639-2079 (land line)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Skype: jerrynelson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">http://bit.ly/1arho7d<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Harwood <runette@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:35 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Gerald Nelson <nelson.gerald.c@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>gdal-dev <gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gdal-dev] does GDAL require proj@7?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well - the Homebrew formula for GDAL 3.4.1 seems to mandate Proj 7 <a href="https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/gdal">https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/gdal</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is strange - since the Conda package works on Proj 8! I don't know who supports the Brew packaging - I don't think it is core team since Homebrew is not listed on the installation page. <a href="https://gdal.org/download.html">https://gdal.org/download.html</a><br>
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I must admit that is why I use Conda on all platforms - it is "generally" more up to date and being an environment manager and not just a package manager it manages cases like this a lot more robust.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 16:32, Gerald Nelson <<a href="mailto:nelson.gerald.c@gmail.com">nelson.gerald.c@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Follow up on the issue below. I did the following gdal is now available. But I’d still like to kill proj@7 so any suggestions still greatly appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">gcn@MacBook-Pro-M1X homebrew-core % git restore Formula/proj@7.rb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">gcn@MacBook-Pro-M1X homebrew-core % brew install gdal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Running `brew update --preinstall`...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3200CA">==></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">
</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Auto-updated Homebrew!</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Updated 1 tap (homebrew/core).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Updated Formulae</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Updated 2 formulae.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#848604">Warning:</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> proj@7 has been deprecated because it is not supported upstream!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Downloading
<a href="https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/proj/7/manifests/7.2.1" target="_blank">
https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/proj/7/manifests/7.2.1</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Already downloaded: /Users/gcn/Library/Caches/Homebrew/downloads/ea2e810b55db50e5431b28bbb758bbaaf088f1be1671b09889af262cae8f3a29--proj@7-7.2.1.bottle_manifest.json</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/proj/7/blobs/sha256:29f65a3b916e6b967c157713b7a00daf1b91c01</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Already downloaded: /Users/gcn/Library/Caches/Homebrew/downloads/1a72b0f45e8fcbf863d3c52697cee4139ce94d16ce87cd6107413eb3be91afdd--proj@7--7.2.1.arm64_monterey.bottle.tar.gz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/gdal/manifests/3.4.1_1</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Already downloaded: /Users/gcn/Library/Caches/Homebrew/downloads/d34f5de12d8fd177fa8682a6311e5a4431f01cca9d2e8431842fa52794192486--gdal-3.4.1_1.bottle_manifest.json</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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https://ghcr.io/v2/homebrew/core/gdal/blobs/sha256:3e0605bfd13304fca41e3d2218abe035985194f1a</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Already downloaded: /Users/gcn/Library/Caches/Homebrew/downloads/2318978fe3df634d8fe1682e41380687245f21099fd5c5e03bb84ae58d46cbf6--gdal--3.4.1_1.arm64_monterey.bottle.tar.gz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Installing dependencies for gdal:
</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#149802">proj@7</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Installing gdal dependency:
</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#149802">proj@7</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Pouring proj@7--7.2.1.arm64_monterey.bottle.tar.gz</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji";color:#3B2322">🍺</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/proj@7/7.2.1: 59 files, 19.2MB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Pouring gdal--3.4.1_1.arm64_monterey.bottle.tar.gz</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji";color:#3B2322">🍺</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/gdal/3.4.1_1: 356 files, 61.2MB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Running `brew cleanup gdal`...</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Gerald C. Nelson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Professor Emeritus, UIUC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">+1 217-390-7888 (cell)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">+1 970-639-2079 (land line)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Skype: jerrynelson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://bit.ly/1arho7d" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1arho7d</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gerald Nelson <<a href="mailto:nelson.gerald.c@gmail.com" target="_blank">nelson.gerald.c@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 9:09 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>gdal-dev <<a href="mailto:gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>does GDAL require proj@7?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I indirectly make a lot of use of GDAL which makes a lot of use of proj. I do all this on a new Macbook pro with Apple Silicon. I manage these things with homebrew. It was a tiny bit complicated to get homebrew running to take advantage
of the new silicon but I’ve been doing that successfully for a month or so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At some point in the past I installed proj@7 from homebrew. That’s now deprecated but I can’t seem to kill it on my system. Lots of brew uninstall and install/upgrade commands. I used locate in a terminal and attempted to delete all the
files with proj@7 in their names. I’m currently have this set of exchanges<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="gmail-m8575748763770025392p1"><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1">gcn@MacBook-Pro-M1X Cellar % brew install gdal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="gmail-m8575748763770025392p1"><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s2">Warning:</span><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1"> No available formula with the name "proj@7" (dependency of gdal). Did you mean proj?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="gmail-m8575748763770025392p2"><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s3">==></span><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s4">
</span><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1"><b>Searching for similarly named formulae...</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="gmail-m8575748763770025392p1"><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1">This similarly named formula was found:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="gmail-m8575748763770025392p2"><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1"><b>proj
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<p class="gmail-m8575748763770025392p1"><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1">To install it, run:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s1">brew install </span><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s6"><b>proj
</b></span><span class="gmail-m8575748763770025392s5"><b><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">✔</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">gcn@MacBook-Pro-M1X Cellar % brew install proj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">To restore the stashed changes to /opt/homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core, run:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> cd /opt/homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core && git stash pop</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Running `brew update --preinstall`...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Auto-updated Homebrew!</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Updated 2 taps (homebrew/core and homebrew/cask).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Updated Formulae</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Updated 1 formula.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#802A19">Updated Casks</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Updated 4 casks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#848604">Warning:</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> proj 8.2.1 is already installed and up-to-date.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">To reinstall 8.2.1, run:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> brew reinstall proj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">gcn@MacBook-Pro-M1X Cellar % cd /opt/homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core && git stash pop</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Removing Formula/proj@7.rb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">On branch master</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Changes not staged for commit:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> (use "git add/rm <file>..." to update what will be committed)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322"> (use "git restore <file>..." to discard changes in working directory)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#9F1410">deleted: Formula/proj@7.rb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a")</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#D7D3B7"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:#3B2322">Dropped refs/stash@{0} (cf00995d0160fc9ed0889b664973b1c75a4a5925)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At this point I’m stuck on next steps. I suspect this is not a gdal problem per se but something in homebrew I’m not understanding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any advice greatly appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jerry<o:p></o:p></p>
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