<div dir="ltr">I had to respond just because ...<br><br>GPS did not overthrow the Airy ellipsoid! It is alive and well in BNG where it should be.<br><br>There are also organizations (like, I believe, MOLA) that prefer to use LatLng with the Airy ellipsoid. I have a problem with that since it is confusing (there is no <b>simple</b> notation in LatLng coords to tell you which reference is used) and if you get it wrong the error in position is about 100m! Too big to be ignored but often too small to be obvious!<br><br>The response you received was because you mixed up ellipsoids and geoids. 4326 does not reference any geoid - it is a 2D reference system. You probably meant the equivalent 3D CRS 4979 but that refers to ellipsoidal height (above, as you say, the wgs84 ellipsoid ensemble). You talked about the geoid, which is a different reference.<br><br>The Airy ellipsoid is not a Geoid. The OS Geoid is, I believe, OSGM15.<div><br></div><div>As far as converting from ellipsoidal height to orthometric height (i.e. referenced to the Geoid) - I am not sure that it matters that GPS is using WGS84 references. You still have to do a similar transformation and I would expect that the final accuracy would be about the same.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 19:06, Andrew C Aitchison <<a href="mailto:andrew@aitchison.me.uk">andrew@aitchison.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Greg Troxel wrote:<br>
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> Andrew C Aitchison <<a href="mailto:andrew@aitchison.me.uk" target="_blank">andrew@aitchison.me.uk</a>> writes:<br>
>> I do know that 4326 uses a geoid which is less accurate *over Great<br>
>> Britain* than the one the Great Britain Ordnance Survey have been<br>
>> using for a century or two (OSGB36 Datum 1936, Airy Spheriod 1830!).<br>
>> I suspect that other national geo-organisations do the same thing and<br>
>> you will lose the extra accuracy in standardising on one coordinate<br>
>> system over Europe.<br>
><br>
> I don't follow this at all. EPSG:4326 is a 2D system, so it doesn't<br>
> even have height, and has no associated geoid.<br>
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Ah. I misremembered; I should have said the GRS80 ellipsoid:<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_National_Grid#Compatibility_with_related_systems" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_National_Grid#Compatibility_with_related_systems</a><br>
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The Airy ellipsoid is a regional best fit for Britain; more modern mapping <br>
tends to use the GRS80 ellipsoid used by the Global Positioning System <br>
(the Airy ellipsoid assumes the Earth to be about 1 km smaller in diameter <br>
than the GRS80 ellipsoid, and to be slightly less flattened).<br>
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I do remember mourning that GPS overthrew the Airy Spheroid.<br>
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-- <br>
Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK<br>
<a href="mailto:andrew@aitchison.me.uk" target="_blank">andrew@aitchison.me.uk</a><br>
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