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    <p>The file is indeed fine and was recognized in earlier GDAL
      versions (<= 3.4). Bug fixed per
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/pull/7382">https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/pull/7382</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 08/03/2023 à 14:22, Micha Silver a
      écrit :<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:53f2b9ee-4026-4d2c-5bbf-97bedf3e4e6d@gmail.com">
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      <p>Inline...</p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/03/2023 14:33, Even Rouault
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
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        cite="mid:a17513cc-3def-350e-807a-718e898eb94d@spatialys.com">
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        <p>Ah, the issue here is that the GeoTIFF keys in the .tif
          partially define the projection (or possibly the .tif.aux.xml
          contain this invalid WKT). But METHOD["unnamed"] means that
          the projection method is unknown, so it is logical that
          GDAL/PROJ can't compute geographic coordinates from projected
          coordinates.</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>The output of "listgeo HiBar_21022022_A1.tif" might be useful
          to further diagnose.<br>
        </p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <p>I can't see any problem here:</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
            style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">listgeo
            HiBar_21022022_A1.tif  </span><br>
          Geotiff_Information: <br>
            Version: 1 <br>
            Key_Revision: 1.0 <br>
            Tagged_Information: <br>
               ModelTiepointTag (2,3): <br>
                  0                 0                 0                 <br>
                  202245.240786848  421915.720555977  0                 <br>
               ModelPixelScaleTag (1,3): <br>
                  0.125             0.125             1                 <br>
               End_Of_Tags. <br>
            Keyed_Information: <br>
               GTModelTypeGeoKey (Short,1): ModelTypeProjected <br>
               GTRasterTypeGeoKey (Short,1): RasterPixelIsArea <br>
               GTCitationGeoKey (Ascii,26): "PCS Name = Israel_TM_Grid"
          <br>
               GeographicTypeGeoKey (Short,1): Code-4141 (Israel 1993) <br>
               GeogAngularUnitsGeoKey (Short,1): Angular_Degree <br>
               GeogEllipsoidGeoKey (Short,1): Ellipse_GRS_1980 <br>
               GeogSemiMajorAxisGeoKey (Double,1): 6378137           <br>
               GeogSemiMinorAxisGeoKey (Double,1): 6356752.31414036  <br>
               GeogInvFlatteningGeoKey (Double,1): 298.257222101     <br>
               GeogTOWGS84GeoKey (Double,7): -48              55
                        52                <br>
          0                0                0                 <br>
          0                 <br>
               ProjectedCSTypeGeoKey (Short,1): Code-2039 (Israel 1993 /
          Israeli TM Grid) <br>
               PCSCitationGeoKey (Ascii,15): "Israel_TM_Grid" <br>
               ProjLinearUnitsGeoKey (Short,1): Linear_Meter <br>
               End_Of_Keys. <br>
            End_Of_Geotiff. <br>
          <br>
          PCS = 2039 (Israel 1993 / Israeli TM Grid) <br>
          Projection = 18204 (Israeli TM) <br>
          Projection Method: CT_TransverseMercator <br>
            ProjNatOriginLatGeoKey: 31.734394 ( 31d44' 3.82"N) <br>
            ProjNatOriginLongGeoKey: 35.204517 ( 35d12'16.26"E) <br>
            ProjScaleAtNatOriginGeoKey: 1.000007 <br>
            ProjFalseEastingGeoKey: 219529.584000 m <br>
            ProjFalseNorthingGeoKey: 626907.390000 m <br>
          GCS: 4141/Israel 1993 <br>
          Datum: 6141/Israel 1993 <br>
          Ellipsoid: 7019/GRS 1980 (6378137.00,6356752.31) <br>
          Prime Meridian: 8901/Greenwich (0.000000/  0d 0' 0.00"E) <br>
          TOWGS84: -48,55,52,0,0,0,0 <br>
          Projection Linear Units: 9001/metre (1.000000m) <br>
          <br>
          Corner Coordinates: <br>
          Upper Left    (  202245.241,  421915.721)  ( 35d 1'32.11"E,
          29d53' 7.03"N) <br>
          Lower Left    (  202245.241,  418790.721)  ( 35d 1'32.29"E,
          29d51'25.54"N) <br>
          Upper Right   (  205370.241,  421915.721)  ( 35d 3'28.57"E,
          29d53' 7.17"N) <br>
          Lower Right   (  205370.241,  418790.721)  ( 35d 3'28.72"E,
          29d51'25.68"N) <br>
          Center        (  203807.741,  420353.221)  ( 35d 2'30.42"E,
          29d52'16.36"N)<br>
          <br>
        </span></p>
      <p>Then, after:</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
            style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">gdal_translate
            -a_srs EPSG:2039 HiBar_21022022_A1.tif
            HiBar_21022022_A1b.tif</span><br>
        </span><span style="font-family:monospace"></span></p>
      <br>
      <p>The ERROR goes away and I get:</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
            style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">gdalinfo
            HiBar_21022022_A1b.tif  </span><br>
          Driver: GTiff/GeoTIFF <br>
          Files: HiBar_21022022_A1b.tif <br>
          Size is 25000, 25000 <br>
          Coordinate System is: <br>
          PROJCRS["Israel 1993 / Israeli TM Grid", <br>
             BASEGEOGCRS["Israel 1993", <br>
                 DATUM["Israel 1993", <br>
                     ELLIPSOID["GRS 1980",6378137,298.257222101, <br>
                         LENGTHUNIT["metre",1]]], <br>
                 PRIMEM["Greenwich",0, <br>
                     ANGLEUNIT["degree",0.0174532925199433]], <br>
                 ID["EPSG",4141]], <br>
             CONVERSION["Israeli TM", <br>
                 METHOD["Transverse Mercator", <br>
                     ID["EPSG",9807]], <br>
                 PARAMETER["Latitude of natural
          origin",31.7343936111111, <br>
                     ANGLEUNIT["degree",0.0174532925199433], <br>
                     ID["EPSG",8801]], <br>
                 PARAMETER["Longitude of natural
          origin",35.2045169444444, <br>
                     ANGLEUNIT["degree",0.0174532925199433], <br>
                     ID["EPSG",8802]], <br>
                 PARAMETER["Scale factor at natural origin",1.0000067, <br>
                     SCALEUNIT["unity",1], <br>
                     ID["EPSG",8805]], <br>
                 PARAMETER["False easting",219529.584, <br>
                     LENGTHUNIT["metre",1], <br>
                     ID["EPSG",8806]], <br>
                 PARAMETER["False northing",626907.39, <br>
                     LENGTHUNIT["metre",1], <br>
                     ID["EPSG",8807]]], <br>
             CS[Cartesian,2], <br>
                 AXIS["(E)",east, <br>
                     ORDER[1], <br>
                     LENGTHUNIT["metre",1]], <br>
                 AXIS["(N)",north, <br>
                     ORDER[2], <br>
                     LENGTHUNIT["metre",1]], <br>
             USAGE[ <br>
                 SCOPE["Cadastre, engineering survey, topographic
          mapping (large and medium scale)."], <br>
                 AREA["Israel - onshore; Palestine Territory -
          onshore."], <br>
                 BBOX[29.45,34.17,33.28,35.69]], <br>
             ID["EPSG",2039]] <br>
          Data axis to CRS axis mapping: 1,2 <br>
          Origin = (202245.240786847687559,421915.720555976789910) <br>
          Pixel Size = (0.125000000000000,-0.125000000000000) <br>
          Metadata: <br>
           AREA_OR_POINT=Area <br>
          Image Structure Metadata: <br>
           INTERLEAVE=PIXEL <br>
          Corner Coordinates: <br>
          Upper Left  (  202245.241,  421915.721) ( 35d 1'32.11"E,
          29d53' 7.03"N) <br>
          Lower Left  (  202245.241,  418790.721) ( 35d 1'32.29"E,
          29d51'25.54"N) <br>
          Upper Right (  205370.241,  421915.721) ( 35d 3'28.57"E,
          29d53' 7.17"N) <br>
          Lower Right (  205370.241,  418790.721) ( 35d 3'28.72"E,
          29d51'25.68"N) <br>
          Center      (  203807.741,  420353.221) ( 35d 2'30.42"E,
          29d52'16.36"N) <br>
          Band 1 Block=25000x1 Type=Byte, ColorInterp=Red <br>
          Band 2 Block=25000x1 Type=Byte, ColorInterp=Green <br>
          Band 3 Block=25000x1 Type=Byte, ColorInterp=Blue <br>
          Band 4 Block=25000x1 Type=Byte, ColorInterp=Undefined<br>
          <br>
        </span>and the listgeo output is also different:</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
            style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">listgeo
            HiBar_21022022_A1b.tif  </span><br>
          Geotiff_Information: <br>
            Version: 1 <br>
            Key_Revision: 1.0 <br>
            Tagged_Information: <br>
               ModelTiepointTag (2,3): <br>
                  0                 0                 0                 <br>
                  202245.240786848  421915.720555977  0                 <br>
               ModelPixelScaleTag (1,3): <br>
                  0.125             0.125             0                 <br>
               End_Of_Tags. <br>
            Keyed_Information: <br>
               GTModelTypeGeoKey (Short,1): ModelTypeProjected <br>
               GTRasterTypeGeoKey (Short,1): RasterPixelIsArea <br>
               GTCitationGeoKey (Ascii,30): "Israel 1993 / Israeli TM
          Grid" <br>
               GeogCitationGeoKey (Ascii,12): "Israel 1993" <br>
               GeogAngularUnitsGeoKey (Short,1): Angular_Degree <br>
               ProjectedCSTypeGeoKey (Short,1): Code-2039 (Israel 1993 /
          Israeli TM Grid) <br>
               ProjLinearUnitsGeoKey (Short,1): Linear_Meter <br>
               End_Of_Keys. <br>
            End_Of_Geotiff. <br>
          <br>
          PCS = 2039 (Israel 1993 / Israeli TM Grid) <br>
          Projection = 18204 (Israeli TM) <br>
          Projection Method: CT_TransverseMercator <br>
            ProjNatOriginLatGeoKey: 31.734394 ( 31d44' 3.82"N) <br>
            ProjNatOriginLongGeoKey: 35.204517 ( 35d12'16.26"E) <br>
            ProjScaleAtNatOriginGeoKey: 1.000007 <br>
            ProjFalseEastingGeoKey: 219529.584000 m <br>
            ProjFalseNorthingGeoKey: 626907.390000 m <br>
          GCS: 4141/Israel 1993 <br>
          Datum: 6141/Israel 1993 <br>
          Ellipsoid: 7019/GRS 1980 (6378137.00,6356752.31) <br>
          Prime Meridian: 8901/Greenwich (0.000000/  0d 0' 0.00"E) <br>
          Projection Linear Units: 9001/metre (1.000000m) <br>
          <br>
          Corner Coordinates: <br>
          Upper Left    (  202245.241,  421915.721)  ( 35d 1'32.11"E,
          29d53' 7.03"N) <br>
          Lower Left    (  202245.241,  418790.721)  ( 35d 1'32.29"E,
          29d51'25.54"N) <br>
          Upper Right   (  205370.241,  421915.721)  ( 35d 3'28.57"E,
          29d53' 7.17"N) <br>
          Lower Right   (  205370.241,  418790.721)  ( 35d 3'28.72"E,
          29d51'25.68"N) <br>
          Center        (  203807.741,  420353.221)  ( 35d 2'30.42"E,
          29d52'16.36"N)<br>
          <br>
          <br>
        </span></p>
      <p>So I guess that solves the problem, allowing for reprojection,
        and mapping together with other datasets.</p>
      <p>Thanks for you help (spot on, as always!)</p>
      <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
        </span></p>
      <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
        </span></p>
      <blockquote type="cite"
        cite="mid:a17513cc-3def-350e-807a-718e898eb94d@spatialys.com">
        <p>You likely need to gdal_translate -a_srs EPSG:2039 to do
          something useful with that file, and report to the data
          producer that the CRS encoding is broken</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 08/03/2023 à 13:18, Micha Silver
          a écrit :<br>
        </div>
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          cite="mid:a8073719-7e8b-af6a-55be-6ecf558b4256@gmail.com">
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          <p>Hi Even:<br>
            <span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"> </span></span></p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"><br>
              </span></span></p>
          <p><span style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Here's
              the full gdalinfo, with the reported CRS:</span></p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"><br>
              </span></span></p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">gdalinfo
                HiBar_21022022_A1.tif </span><br>
              Driver: GTiff/GeoTIFF <br>
              Files: HiBar_21022022_A1.tif <br>
                    HiBar_21022022_A1.tif.aux.xml <br>
              Size is 25000, 25000 <br>
              Coordinate System is: <br>
              PROJCRS["Israel 1993 / Israeli TM Grid", <br>
                 BASEGEOGCRS["WGS 84", <br>
                     DATUM["World Geodetic System 1984", <br>
                         ELLIPSOID["WGS 84",6378137,298.257223563, <br>
                             LENGTHUNIT["metre",1, <br>
                                 ID["EPSG",9001]]]], <br>
                     PRIMEM["Greenwich",0, <br>
                         ANGLEUNIT["degree",0.0174532925199433, <br>
                             ID["EPSG",9122]]]], <br>
                 CONVERSION["unnamed", <br>
                     METHOD["unnamed"]], <br>
                 CS[Cartesian,2], <br>
                     AXIS["(E)",east, <br>
                         ORDER[1], <br>
                         LENGTHUNIT["metre",1, <br>
                             ID["EPSG",9001]]], <br>
                     AXIS["(N)",north, <br>
                         ORDER[2], <br>
                         LENGTHUNIT["metre",1, <br>
                             ID["EPSG",9001]]]] <br>
              Data axis to CRS axis mapping: 1,2 <br>
              Origin = (202245.240786847687559,421915.720555976789910) <br>
              Pixel Size = (0.125000000000000,-0.125000000000000) <br>
              Metadata: <br>
               AREA_OR_POINT=Area <br>
              Image Structure Metadata: <br>
               INTERLEAVE=PIXEL <br>
              Corner Coordinates: <br>
              ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
              Upper Left  (  202245.241,  421915.721)  <br>
              ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
              Lower Left  (  202245.241,  418790.721)  <br>
              ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
              Upper Right (  205370.241,  421915.721)  <br>
              ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
              Lower Right (  205370.241,  418790.721)  <br>
              ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
              Center      (  203807.741,  420353.221) <br>
              <br>
            </span>and proj version:<span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
            </span></p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
            </span><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;"></span></span></p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">proj </span><br>
              Rel. 9.1.1, December 1st, 2022</span></p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
            </span></p>
          <p>(a newly installed debian 12)<span
              style="font-family:monospace"><br>
            </span></p>
          <p><br>
          </p>
          <p>Thanks,</p>
          <p>Micha</p>
          <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
            </span></p>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/03/2023 13:47, Even Rouault
            wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote type="cite"
            cite="mid:ec6ceb21-9995-6036-339b-d31d7d42e264@spatialys.com">
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            <p>Micha,</p>
            <p><br>
            </p>
            <p>which CRS is reported and which PROJ version do you use ?
              It is presumably one projection method for which PROJ only
              implements the forward conversion, that is from geographic
              to projected coordinates, but not the reverse way</p>
            <p><br>
            </p>
            <p>Even<br>
            </p>
            <p><br>
            </p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 08/03/2023 à 09:37, Micha
              Silver a écrit :<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite"
              cite="mid:49eb2124-9d86-df3f-ae41-cfc5eacfff20@gmail.com">
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              <p>I received some Geotiff files, and gdalinfo shows:</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p><span style="font-family:monospace"><span
                    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">Corner
                    Coordinates: </span><br>
                  ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
                  Upper Left  (  205370.241,  418790.721)  <br>
                  ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
                  Lower Left  (  205370.241,  415665.721)  <br>
                  ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
                  Upper Right (  206198.866,  418790.721)  <br>
                  ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
                  Lower Right (  206198.866,  415665.721)  <br>
                  ERROR 1: No inverse operation <br>
                  Center      (  205784.553,  417228.221) <br>
                </span><br>
                What does that mean?</p>
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                    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">gdalinfo
                    --version </span><br>
                  GDAL 3.6.2, released 2023/01/02<br>
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                </span>Thanks</p>
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Micha Silver
Remote Sensing Lab, Sde Boker
Ben Gurion University
+972-523-665918</pre>
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Ben Gurion University
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Ben Gurion University
+972-523-665918</pre>
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