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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I forgot to say that I think it is not a good idea to use gdal_grid with EPSG:3857 at all. The scale of Web Mercator is correct only at the equator. In your data from Poland, if the
real ellipsoidal distance between two points on the ground is 10 meters, the cartesian distance in EPSG:3857 claims that the distance is 15 meters. I think it would be better to compute the grid in a CRS that has approximately correct scale, and re-project
the raster into Web Mercator if needed. That said, perhaps there is a bug in the gdal_grid utility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-Jukka Rahkonen-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Lähettäjä:</b> Paul Meems <bontepaarden@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Lähetetty:</b> keskiviikko 22. toukokuuta 2024 18.24<br>
<b>Vastaanottaja:</b> gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Kopio:</b> Rahkonen Jukka <jukka.rahkonen@maanmittauslaitos.fi><br>
<b>Aihe:</b> Re: [gdal-dev] Gdal_grid produces a lot of empty cells<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry Jukka,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Forgot all about that ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've attached the csv from the field in Poland with the original lon-lat values and the X and Y in EPSG:3857<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op wo 22 mei 2024 om 16:57 schreef Rahkonen Jukka <<a href="mailto:jukka.rahkonen@maanmittauslaitos.fi">jukka.rahkonen@maanmittauslaitos.fi</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">At least I cannot resolve your issue on paper. Please share some test data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">-Jukka-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Lähettäjä:</b> gdal-dev <<a href="mailto:gdal-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">gdal-dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>>
<b>Puolesta </b>Paul Meems via gdal-dev<br>
<b>Lähetetty:</b> keskiviikko 22. toukokuuta 2024 17.31<br>
<b>Vastaanottaja:</b> <a href="mailto:gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Aihe:</b> [gdal-dev] Gdal_grid produces a lot of empty cells<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello List,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have a CSV-file with sensor data and GPS coordinates in WGS84.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I convert these GPS coordinates to a projected projection. Mostly a UTM zone, depending on the location.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">These X and Y values are added to the CSV-file and saved with a different name.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Then I create a VRT-file to get the proper Z-column:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><OGRVRTDataSource><br>
<OGRVRTLayer name="01 field data-EPSG32634"><br>
<SrcDataSource>01 field data-EPSG32634.csv</SrcDataSource><br>
<GeometryType>wkbPoint</GeometryType><br>
<GeometryField encoding="PointFromColumns" x="X" y="Y" z="Countrate"/><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This VRT file is sent to Gdal_grid to create a tiff-file using these arguments:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">-txe 273360 274940 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">-a_srs EPSG:32634 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">"01 field data-EPSG32634-TC.vrt" "tmpmrmq4d.tiff"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This tiff-file looks like this: <a href="https://pasteboard.co/tKP1ZJ1cAY2r.png" target="_blank">https://pasteboard.co/tKP1ZJ1cAY2r.png</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This process works fine and we've been using this for several years now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Recently we added a process step to export one of the sensor data to a PostGIS database and with the help of Geoserver and OpenLayers we've created a very simple webpage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In this step, things are getting weird. The WebMap is in EPSG:3857 (Pseudo/Web-Mercator).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I start with the original CSV-file with the sensor data and add the X and Y columns again, now in EPSG:3857. Then I create a similar vrt-file:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And call gdal_grid with similar arguments:<br>
<span style="font-family:"Courier New"">-a invdist:power=2:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But now the result is: <a href="https://pasteboard.co/bcMp7rP5eyff.png" target="_blank">https://pasteboard.co/bcMp7rP5eyff.png</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">A huge amount of empty cells. I don't understand this. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Both EPSG:32634 (WGS 84 / UTM zone 34N) and EPSG:3857 are in meters so I thought the same settings should work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But in fact only with very different settings I can get a proper grid:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I got these values through trial and error.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But now we loose a lot of variation because the search radius and grid cell size are much higher.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To make it even more weird. Other fields nearby don't have this problem and I also have this problem with other projections like:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Belgium (EPSG:3857): <a href="https://pasteboard.co/ZXLTsEuvpZ3s.png" target="_blank">https://pasteboard.co/ZXLTsEuvpZ3s.png</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The Netherlands (EPSG:3857): <a href="https://pasteboard.co/8PpDJrDi1Wxq.png" target="_blank">https://pasteboard.co/8PpDJrDi1Wxq.png</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We do have enough data points:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks if you made it all the way here ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My questions are:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Am I using Gdal_Grid in the proper way or do I need to change one or more arguments?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
What might be an explanation for the empty cells when using EPSG:3857?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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