<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">The questions about the gdal-dev list is purposefully on the GDAL Users Survey [1] (please fill one out) so we can learn more about preferences and habits of the community on this topic.</div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">The challenge of where the community convenes is a difficult one because it requires balancing a number of things. The type preference of users (forums, mailing lists, async chat, stackoverflow etc), the habits of lurkers, and most importantly, where people actually provide information, all factor into which venue should be the "primary" one. It is not surprising that GDAL's primary venue is a mailing list due to it being a 26 year old software library which evolved its community during the time of mailing lists. That time is maybe past, but habits are hard to break. </div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">IMO we definitely shouldn't split the list apart into -users vs -dev, however. There isn't a big enough contributor community to warrant it.</div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Howard</div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">[1] <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMXygtDb5M0Ov0KK0u2wKkev1rMqAjRdTlwMeCl7Z1TGJTLw/viewform">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMXygtDb5M0Ov0KK0u2wKkev1rMqAjRdTlwMeCl7Z1TGJTLw/viewform</a><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Micha Silver via gdal-dev <gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Re: [gdal-dev] Would it be a good idea have a users list?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">November 7, 2024 at 8:39:58 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Paul Harwood <runette@gmail.com>, "gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org" <gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Micha Silver <tsvibar@gmail.com><br></span></div><br><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><font size="4">I would switch to a user's list in "two shakes of a lamb's tail" (I'm not British). The topics discussed in gdal-dev are mostly above my head. And the questions I have don't really fit here. A user's list would probably be a benefit for me.<br></font></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><font size="4">As you're aware, many open source projects maintain both. There would be some confusion at first, probably, but based on those other projects, people would settle in to the right place quickly. The key question is who would maintain it, and who would answer user's questions? (Even has his plate quite full as it is).</font></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;">On 07/11/2024 12:14, Paul Harwood via gdal-dev wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAE8nN5OsJMp-JyJynaq7O61+iQAmVKvWAn8EPC83224ucT18Cg@mail.gmail.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr">My tuppence worth (yes - a Britishism) just as a user and not a stakeholder ...<br><br>I would say that the real-life experience is likely to be that no one knows or agrees what message should be on what list, people will post "on the wrong list" and be asked to repost, everyone will end up on both lists anyway and you end up creating an unnecessary (and strangely heated) discussion about who counts as a developer, especially in a relatively technical subject area like GDAL.<div><br></div><div>Personally, I would vote no. It should not be like this but I bet it would be.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 at 07:53, Abel Pau via gdal-dev <<a href="mailto:gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="msg-3111703998670085003"><div lang="CA"><div class="m_-6864491565960517161WordSection1"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">Hi,</span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">I heard and I see that that list it’s mostly for dev gdal users.</span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">Would it be a good idea have a users (not developers) list?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US">It’s only a thought, an idea.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><table width="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="width: 375pt;"><tbody><tr><td width="312" style="width: 232.5pt; padding: 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 134, 85);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(0, 134, 85); text-decoration: none;">Abel Pau Garcia</span></b><span style="color: rgb(0, 134, 85);"></span></a></span></div></td><td rowspan="2" width="188" valign="top" style="width: 142.5pt; padding: 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: right;"><span lang="ES"><a href="https://www.creaf.cat/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="CA" style="color: blue; text-decoration: none;"><img id="m_-6864491565960517161Imagen_x0020_1" alt="image001.jpg" height="43" border="0" style="width: 1.875in; height: 0.4479in;" src="cid:part1.p82oMR3w.CovR7CLP@gmail.com"></span></a></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 0cm 0cm 3.75pt;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2); text-decoration: none;">GIS developer</span></b><b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2);"></span></b></a></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 1.5pt 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 91, 78);"><a href="mailto:a.pau@creaf.uab.cat" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(68, 91, 78); text-decoration: none;">a.pau@creaf.uab.cat</span></b><span style="color: rgb(68, 91, 78);"></span></a></span></div></td><td rowspan="4" width="188" valign="top" style="width: 78.75pt; padding: 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: right;"><span><img id="m_-6864491565960517161logo_opcional" alt="image002.png" height="50" border="0" style="width: 1.0937in; height: 0.5208in;" src="cid:part2.pYSqJi7O.VE8oemsg@gmail.com"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 1.5pt 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 91, 78);"><a href="https://teams.microsoft.com/l/chat/0/0?users=a.pau@creaf.uab.cat" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(68, 91, 78); text-decoration: none;">Let's chat on Teams!</span></b><span style="color: rgb(68, 91, 78);"></span></a></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 1.5pt 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0pt 0cm 3.75pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: red;"><b><span style="color: rgb(68, 91, 78);">Tel. +34 934814277<u></u></span></b></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 1.5pt 0cm;"><br></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding: 1.5pt 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="ES"><a href="https://twitter.com/CREAF_ecologia" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="CA" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; text-decoration: none;"><img id="m_-6864491565960517161Imagen_x0020_3" alt="image003.png" height="30" border="0" style="width: 0.3125in; height: 0.3125in;" src="cid:part3.0ExBAjxg.Z5YEuhaL@gmail.com"></span></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/creaf/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="CA" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; text-decoration: none;"><img id="m_-6864491565960517161Imagen_x0020_4" alt="image004.png" height="30" border="0" style="width: 0.3125in; height: 0.3125in;" src="cid:part4.VCeQmKaU.1nuSpeS0@gmail.com"></span></a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/creafecologia" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="CA" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; text-decoration: none;"><img id="m_-6864491565960517161Imagen_x0020_5" alt="image005.png" height="30" border="0" style="width: 0.3125in; height: 0.3125in;" src="cid:part5.nzAf0oCb.B1aq9n0o@gmail.com"></span></a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/CREAF_ecologia/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="CA" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; text-decoration: none;"><img id="m_-6864491565960517161Imagen_x0020_6" alt="image006.png" height="30" border="0" style="width: 0.3125in; height: 0.3125in;" src="cid:part6.gObyh0nb.x6F0oIRh@gmail.com"></span></a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(188, 88, 2);"><br><a href="http://www.creaf.cat/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2); text-decoration: none;">www.creaf.cat</span></b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></a><b>|<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="http://blog.creaf.cat/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2); text-decoration: none;">http://blog.creaf.cat</span></b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2);"></span></a></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(27, 36, 31);"><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/123379060" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color: rgb(27, 36, 31);">CREAF. Campus UAB. Edifici C. 08193 Bellaterra (Barcelona)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></a><br><br><a href="https://www.creaf.cat/ca/politica-de-privacitat" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2); text-decoration: none;">Política de privacitat</span></b><span style="color: rgb(188, 88, 2);"></span></a></span></div></td><td rowspan="2" width="188" valign="bottom" style="width: 52.5pt; padding: 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; text-align: right;"><span><img id="m_-6864491565960517161Imagen_x0020_7" alt="image007.png" height="50" border="0" style="width: 0.7291in; height: 0.5208in;" src="cid:part7.sfPTXSt1.TqX0y1IY@gmail.com"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Abans d'imprimir aquest missatge electrònic penseu en el medi ambient.</span></a></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt;"><span lang="ES"> </span></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>gdal-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br><fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset><pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
gdal-dev mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org">gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev</a>
</pre></blockquote><pre class="moz-signature" cols="72" style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;">--
Micha Silver
Ben Gurion Univ.
Sde Boker, Remote Sensing Lab
cell: +972-523-665918</pre><span style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;">gdal-dev mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><a href="mailto:gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">gdal-dev@lists.osgeo.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/gdal-dev</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(147, 49, 49); color: rgb(147, 49, 49); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;"></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>