[Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification

Tue Oct 20 12:26:08 PDT 2015

Hi,

Perhaps this discussion maybe deserves a web conference to try and get to a
common understanding? Or establish a subcommittee to really try and
understand Tanzeel's proposal and then perhaps move to a GeoForAll vote?

It seems that the idea of OSGeo Certification is a hard nut to crack... but
we have valuable colleagues here who are passionate about this topic and
are putting hard work in trying to move our community forward.

Cheers,
Charlie

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs:_OSGeo_Certification
[2] http://www.urisa.org/resources/geospatial-management-competency-model/

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Suchith Anand <
Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> For any geoeducation program, the focus should be on the  learning
> objectives   (not on any specific software or tools) . Open principles in
> geoeducation (open education resources, free and open software, open data,
> open standards etc) are key for  true empowerment of staff and students
> globally and making geospatial education and opportunities accessible to
> all
>
> Our universities and our initiatives like GeoAcademy are already doing
> this excellently focussed on open principles in geoeducation .That is more
> important and helps create good global citizens .
>
> So there need to be more detailed info that Tanzeel should provide and
> there should be indepth discussion and understanding on what Tanzeel is
> proposing, its benifits for the students etc  before we can make any
> decision.  Unfortunately, at this stage i cannot see the true value of this
> certification for the students or for the wider community.  Maybe others in
> the list can share their experience/viewpoints on this.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
> ------------------------------
> *From:* ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf
> of Suchith Anand [Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:33 PM
> *To:* tanzeel rehman; franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de
> *Cc:* ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification
>
> Thanks for the reply but i still find it difficult to understand the
> procedure and details.
>
> Is it possible to send the url or link to your Masters thesis to the list,
> so everyone can better understand what exactly that you are talking about.
> Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tanzeel rehman [tanzeelrehman130 at hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM
> *To:* suchith.anand at nottingham.ac.uk; franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de
> *Cc:* ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification
>
> Thanks to all of you for raising points.
>
> 1. As Prof Behr, mentioned earlier this certification model covers three
> parts which are actually the sector of geospatial industry. And in my point
> of view either some one is using GTCM or not but in any case he is involved
> in data acquistion .analysis and modeling and development. These are the
> broader sector and we created the certification package for each sector.
> Using GTCM is providing the course content of Certification body of
> knowledge.
> 2. It should be industry driven. My aim was to relate the geospatial
> education to the geospatial practical industry that if such competencies
> are existed then students or professionals can have better place in market
> having this certifocation.
> 3. I think it would not be enough to hit only software based but it should
> be an extra knowledge related to implementation of skills.
> 4. This certification model covers all aspects like certified os data
> professional, certified os gis/rs analyst and so on. So i think it would b
> a greater opportunity to work with QGIS and other software because
> geospatial software has the similar characterstics as we have in our model.
> 5. In last. I am in trying phase to launch small company spatial
> junctions. And under this umberlla we will give training and workshops for
> this certification ofcourse on OS. For this reason we need resources and
> first of all have accerditation from OSGeo..I am spreading all this around
> the world first in Pakistan and now in USA. Give your hands and hopefully
> certification chain will be longer then.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ps. Sorry for late reply due to confernce it is very hechtec schedule.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de; tanzeelrehman130 at hotmail.com
> CC: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:00:37 +0000
>
> Good points Ela . I just saw your mail.
>
> Also i have another query to Franz-Josef, Tanzeel   . If the
> certification is based on geospatial technology competency model does it
> need to be specific to any software (for example it can be QGIS or gvSIG)
>
> So for example, the students undertaking the MOOC programs run by
> GeoAcademy if they complete successfully the program they should be
> eligible for OSGeo certification (if it is established) as they have both
> done a program based on geospatial technology competency model and used
> FOSS4G tools, open data etc.
>
> So what happens if it is university is in UK (or any other country) that
>  do not follow the geospatial technology competency model?
>
> I think the idea is good but many questions to answer  which i
> hope Franz-Josef, Tanzeel will explain more details.
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska [ela at gridw.pl]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:14 AM
> *To:* Franz-Josef Behr; tanzeel rehman
> *Cc:* Suchith Anand; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification
>
> Dear Franz-Josef, Tanzeel,
>
> Your conversation with Suchith it's quite similar to the one we did in
> Nodebo during the 1st QGIS Conference (then it was obviously related to
> QGIS only).
>
> I have two general questions...
> No. 1 What does it mean "FOSS4G/OsGeo certification"? What kind of
> competences should be covered by this certification - use of specific soft
> only (which one) or some broader knowledge & skills related to
> implementation of GI tools and spatial data?
> No. 2 How is your idea related to QGIS certification (mentioned in the
> email)?
>
> Regards,
> Ela
>
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> W dniu 2015-10-20 o 11:45, Franz-Josef Behr pisze:
>
> Dear Suchith,
>
> thank you for your message and concerns. I'd like to bring in some
> clarification.
>
>
>    1. Basically certification for FOSS should be based on the community
>    for the community.
>    2. Accreditation must be given by an acknowledged organisation like
>    OSGeo, as you mentioned, and perhaps other communities (i.e. QGIS
>    association [1]). This should be the "umbrella".
>    3. Examinations should be endorsed by acknowledged Universities (i.e.
>    Geo4All members). Here I am looking for supporters.
>    4. Education is provided by certified trainers (still further work
>    needed)
>    5. Organisational work and management has to be done by an agency.
>    This could be an opportunity for Tanzeel.
>
>
> In my opinion FOSS4G/OSGeo certifications can be beneficial for all
> participants:
>
>
>    - for the community
>    - for the further dissemination of open tools, data, and standards
>    - for the trainees
>    - for the trainers
>    - for the companies looking for employees
>    - for the organising agency
>    - for Universities (offering education).
>
> Similar to [1] certification should have either a fixed, moderate cost, or
> a cost relative to the  GDP/mean salary of the country of origin of the
> trainee
>
> Suchith and colleagues, I'd really appreciate your support and your ideas.
>
> Regards
> Franz-Josef
> [1] http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification
>
> Am 19.10.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Suchith Anand:
>
> Dear Tanzeel,
>
> Thank you for the email and more information. The idea of open source
> certification model based on geospatial technology competency model is good
> BUT i do have concerns  on your  aim to commercialise this certification
> under the umberella of  a private company.  OSGeo Board should be the one
> who should be able to take the decision on certification for OSGeo software
> training.
>
> I was not aware of your discussions with Jeff and others on this that you
> mention in your mail . I am ccing this to our education colleagues, so they
> can give an informed answer and suggestions to this. I suggest that you
> email the OSGeo Board with all details, so that they will be able to give
> you suggestions on the best way for this.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tanzeel rehman [tanzeelrehman130 at hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 2:20 PM
> *To:* suchith.anand at nottingham.ac.uk
> *Subject:* RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders in Innovation
> Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program
>
> Dear Suchith
>
> Thanks for concerns .yes it is my master thesis and I develop an open
> source certification model based on geospatial technology competency model.
> I preseneted this topic in FOSS4g Como pre conference and it was highly
> appriciated even some of guys were really intrested. We had a meeting also
> for accereditation and approval for this model and jeff suggested that it
> should be project based certifocation. Now a days me in spokane for gis pro
> confernece because i want to commercialise this certification under the
> umberella of my new born company spatial junction
> And my second supervisor phillip davis  appriciated alot.
> I need support and suggesstions from all of you to uplift the OSgeo model
> Thanks
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: tanzeelrehman130 at hotmail.com
> CC: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders in Innovation
> Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:45:14 +0000
>
> Hi Tanzeel,
>
> Apologies i could not understand the background discussion on the topic on
> certification. From Frans-Josef email some time back i understand this is
> something related to your Masters Thesis. Is this correct? Did you discuss
> this with the OSGeo Board?  If it is related to OSGeo certification then
> you should get approval from the OSGeo Board first.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
>
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