[Geo4All] [geoforall-ab] Ideas invited from "Geo for All" community for Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO

Christopher Pettit c.pettit at unsw.edu.au
Sun Aug 14 15:49:58 PDT 2016


Dear all,





I think this is a fundamental issue which needs to be dealt with the Geo4All community. What constitutes an Open Source project?



I have been involved in a couple of open source projects which we have been developing for a number of years. We are at a stage that we are just about to release these as  CC licensed open source products and I wanted to do this through OSGeo4All and OpenCitySmart.



In the urban world there has been significant experience mustered in developing and using Cesium and there are now many years of code libraries and resources to take this forward. Also In Australia Cesium is by far the virtual globe platform for choice and over the  years there has been as significant developer community which has come about.



Ok so  now a pro version and an open source version and an active open source development community around it. So what does this mean to the many who have been developing toward this open source project?  I think we really need to hear from AGI and understand what the pro version means for the open source cesium and Geo4All communities.



I welcome a response from Cesium so we can understand what this means and we can have a constructive dialogue on maintaining and growing what has become a very successful open source project.

Regards



Chris



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From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Suchith Anand
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:00 AM
To: Christopher Tucker <tucker at mapstory.org>; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
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Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Geo4All] Ideas invited from "Geo for All" community for Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO

Chris,

First i want to thank you for the work you have done on building MapStory Foundation and  for confirming that you have made no moves on Cesium. I  have strong concerns on Cesium from whatever information i could get so far (so please correct me if i am wrong) . I think it is my duty to inform you on my concerns in this   so that   " MapStory.org be free to use for everyone on earth, forever. "  I know many other colleagues in the community also have concerns on Cesium, so it is important this is discussed in the community, so everyone can contribute thier inputs/ideas on the way forward.

Please understand that my view on this is fully based on my support for Open Principles in GeoEducation. It really doesnt matter if it is a propreitery vendor or open source company, if they are directly or indirectly working to undermine Open Principles in GeoEducation, then i am definitely concerned.

With Cesium plans for thier   'Pro' version ahead, which  i can sense will  eventually starve the open source version (in the long term 10-20 years). Why else would there be a 'Pro' version?

As AGI  mentions
"Cesium Pro is an upgrade of the open source product that includes specialized features and AGI proprietary rendering techniques."

https://www.agi.com/products/cesium-pro/default.aspx

As Patrick and others have correctly pointed out , Cesium non-Pro is now a business model managed by a commercial enterprise that is not in the open source business. This is not where Cesium began, but it is where Cesium will end. It is now the bait for when you want to go 'Pro' and do real work. This caps any ongoing development of Cesium-light to allow Cesium Pro to be all that it can be, where the 'significant' future enhancements will come to fruition.  What is the guarentee that Cesium will not keep changing conditions ?

It is better to aim to work on improving functionalities that you need to improve for MapStory with the  OSGeo tools available  so there is guarentee that these are available for the long term future. I understand that this might be slower but i believe this is best path to ensure that these tools are freely available for the long term. Please work with the OSGeo community and tools  to help fill this gap in 4D functionalities  etc

So i wanted to make sure that you are fully aware of our concerns. It is upto you and MapStory Foundation to decide which options to take for your future plans but i really hope you do not fall into Cesium's clever trap.  So i request to you to please confirm that MapStory will not be using Cesium and you ensure us that "MapStory.org be free to use for everyone on earth, forever. "


If you decide to move with Cesium for your long term plans then we have no option but reconsider our support for MapStory . I am ccing the  Geo4All Advisory Board so they can decide as needed.

Geo4All is and will be always open to all projects and initiatives that support Open Principles in Education. We have a duty and long term view on Open Principles in education to ensure that free and open geospatial education opportunities  are available not just to current generation but also to our next 100 and more generations...

Best wishes,

Suchith
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From: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.hogan at nasa.gov<mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>>
Sent: 13 August 2016 12:17 AM
To: Christopher Tucker; Anand Suchith
Cc: marino at mapstory.org<mailto:marino at mapstory.org>; geoforall at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:geoforall at lists.osgeo.org>; eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk<mailto:eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Geo4All] Ideas invited from "Geo for All" community for Global    Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in        education at UNESCO

This is an old story, and I will try raising my concern just once more.
For those who want to see, the story is there, and it is an old story.

Cesium is now managed by AGI. Yes, there is the open source version, but wait, if you want the good stuff, as AGI says:
"Cesium Pro is an upgrade of the open source product that includes specialized features and AGI proprietary rendering techniques."

As AGI says:
"Analytical Graphics, Inc. (AGI) provides commercial software for designing, developing and operating missions within the space and national defense communities."

What possible future can the open source version of Cesium have with Cesium Pro there to offer the higher quality Cesium, which means that 'farm-league' version, Cesium non-Pro, will never be allowed to rise to the level of greatness.

If as Chris says, who has watched WorldWind "struggle with new requirements" maybe that's because we do so much with so little. If you are not struggling, you are not working hard enough! In our case, how about three architecturally aligned versions, Java, Android and HTML5, not to mention iOS. That's quite a load. And also speaks well to the future, given that WorldWind apps running on smart devices will easily be able to move to Android if and when they need more muscle.

World Wind Java has been there for over 10 years. What software can say that!
API-centric modular componentry is tough to architect and build.
But that's what we do and the proof is in the pudding, and that pudding is being carefully applied to Android and HTML5.

And fortunately, these entities want to struggle along with us! The European Space Agency has standardized on Web WorldWind as has Thales Aerospace, and together they have six (6) world class software engineers embedded on the NASA development team. Watch how professionally we navigate new requirements, they are getting batted out of the park right now. https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WebWorldWind

And if you want to see raw power, the new Explorer 'reference' app free for all (and still struggling ;-), along with a few struggling yet brilliant apps that a small crew of NASA interns are cooking up right now, check this out:

https://github.com/NASAWorldWindResearch

Apps located here:

http://explorer.worldwind.earth/


http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/quakehunter/


http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/spacebirds/


http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/worldweather/

Hope folks might get undistracted enough to see through the commercial nature of the Cesium path. And more than that, maybe help the community-oriented exclusively-non-commercial-open-source WorldWind take on even more requirements.

-Patrick

From: GeoForAll [mailto:geoforall-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Tucker
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 2:50 PM
To: Suchith Anand
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Subject: Re: [Geo4All] Ideas invited from "Geo for All" community for Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO

Suchith,

Sounds good.  If small price money is considered useful, perhaps the MapStory Foundation can help that along.  Let me know what we can do.

Also, I would love to chat with your colleague and his concerns about MapStory using Cesium.  We have made no moves, and haven't written any code, to support our aspirations of a 4D MapStory.  Patrick Hogan raised his concerns over Cesium several months ago, and I committed to investigating the issues that might raise concern with the Geo4All community, and our commitment to the Open Principles we have published.  Unfortunately, other than some quick initial inquiries, I have been distracted by higher priority issues over the past several months, and have not been able to make more progress.

I will say that after my initial inquiries, I have not yet been able to fully grasp the concerns that Patrick articulated.  But, I am happy to learn more.  Is it the policy of the Geo4All community to reject open source geo projects that are originated by commercial entities?  Or, to reject those that are commercially supported, regardless of who initiated them?  Or to reject those with commercial extensions?  Or reject those that have been packaged by commercial entities to make it easier for a broader base of users?  Or are there particular open source licenses that are frowned upon?

Perhaps I am not properly attuned to such issues, since I have worked very hard for nearly a decade to ensure that open source geo projects are commercially supported by viable commercial entities.  My personal motivation in doing this was primarily so that US government customers could include open source geo components in operational systems, which, under policy, demanded commercial support contracts.  Without this, the USG uptake of FOSS4G technologies in its various  systems was largely limited to R&D and prototype systems.  Now, with commercially supported FOSS4G technology, the USG has vastly expanded its use of FOSS4G tech in its production systems.

I have always been a big fan of WorldWind, but I have also watched it struggle with new requirements from the Community.  But, I am always interested in learning more.

Thanks!

Chris

Dr. Christopher K Tucker
Chairman of the Board of Trustees
The MapStory Foundation
@MapStory
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On Aug 11, 2016, at 3:32 AM, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:

Thanks Chris. I dont think it is  prize money that is important but more providing opportunity for showing some good examples of spatial literacy etc

btw I just recieved a email query from a colleague who is concerned about that MapStory, is using Cesium, which has their ^new^ 'Pro' version ahead. Is this true? If so, i am also very concerned.
I remember, that i emailed you explictly on this   http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2016-February/002636.html   and you said you havent made any decision yet and i expected that you will take into full consideration my request  .  I fully believed your commitment that "We fully intend to have MapStory.org<http://MapStory.org> be free to use for everyone on earth, forever. "

So may i request that you please confirm MapStory's plans with Cesium asap. Geo for All has strong commitment on Open Principles, so we need to make sure we fully understand the long term plans of MapStory . If MapStory (which is a great initiative) is  going ahead with plans to build around Cesium , then we will have reconsider our support for MapStory. I hope you can understand my thinking.
It will be really disappointing for us as we were seeing this as a great opportunity to have an open alternative to properitery equivalents and expand geoeducation opportunity more faster. I really hope you will confirm that MapStory will be build fully on Open tools maybe please look for extending additional features for 3D support using current open tools ( World Wind, OpenLayers etc) which can be expanded to replace any planned dependence on Cesium. Will you be open to explore these ideas.

I really hope you and MapStory will be part of Open Principles in geoeducation.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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From: Christopher Tucker <tucker at mapstory.org<mailto:tucker at mapstory.org<mailto:tucker at mapstory.org%3cmailto:tucker at mapstory.org>>>
Sent: 11 August 2016 2:53 AM
To: Anand Suchith
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Subject: Re: [Geo4All] Ideas invited from "Geo for All" community for Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO

Suchith,

Great idea.  How large of a prize do you need us to put up?

Chris

Dr. Christopher K Tucker
Chairman of the Board of Trustees
The MapStory Foundation
@MapStory
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On Aug 10, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>><mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Quick thought? Maybe a MapStory Challenge which might be a good and easy and low learning curve way to get   "geoinformation"  ideas to  the Media and Information Literacy community who might be new to GIS?

Chris, Jon - any ideas/suggestions for this?

Suchith



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Subject: [Geo4All] Ideas invited from "Geo for All" community for Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO

Dear colleagues,

I have been informed by Professor Karl Donert (President, EUROGEO) of this excellent opportunity. Details below.

It is a good opportunity to involve   "Geo for All" community in the Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO.  I  think it is a great idea to join synergies for raising the profile of "geo" through "geo-media" and "geoinformation"  in the Media and Information Literacy community.


I also see that the feature event for Global MIL Week is at  Sao Paulo Brazil from November 2nd - 5th 2016. We should make use of our Brazil network to have a strong presence at this also. Details at https://en.unesco.org/global-mil-week-2016


So may i request your ideas and volunteers to lead  planning  for this to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO?

Best wishes,

Suchith



On Wednesday, 10 August 2016, 22:04, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk%3cmailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>><mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:


Hi Karl,

Thanks for sharing this information. I also think it is a great idea to join synergies for raising the profile of "geo" through "geo-media" and "geoinformation"  in the Media and Information Literacy community.

I also see that the feature event for Global MIL Week is at  Sao Paulo Brazil from November 2nd - 5th 2016. We should make use of our Brazil network to have a strong presence at this also.

Is it okay if i can forward your mail to the Geo4all community and invite ideas. Please let me know. Thanks.

Best wishes,

Suchith

Dr. Suchith Anand

http://www.geoforall.org/

Geo for All - Building and expanding Open Geospatial Science

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From: Karl Donert <eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk<mailto:eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk<mailto:eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk%3cmailto:eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk>><mailto:eurogeomail at yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: 10 August 2016 6:43 PM
To: Anand Suchith
Subject: Fw: Global MIL Week 2016 - Register your event and celebrate with us!

Hi Suchith

Saw this (below)  and thought it could be of interest. As part of its advocacy work, EUROGEO has been (somewhat peripherally) involved in this group, trying to raise the profile of "geo" through "geo-media" and "geoinformation"  in the MIL (Media and Information Literacy) community.

It would seem to me that this could be quite a nice opportunity we should maybe try to take advantage of.

How about activating the "Geo for All" community in this Global Week to help demonstrate and raise awareness of "geo" in education at UNESCO? We could encourage some common "Geoforall" event names and hashtags for instance and promote through newsletters and Web sites?

Let me know what you think ?

Best Wishes

Karl


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On Wednesday, 10 August 2016, 17:34, "Xu, Jing"  wrote:


Fill the map with your events <https://en.unesco.org/feedback/global-mil-week-2016-celebration-event-registration>
and celebrate with us!<https://en.unesco.org/feedback/global-mil-week-2016-celebration-event-registration>
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Dear Partners,

We are pleased to invite you to celebrate the Global Media and Information Literacy Week 2016 with UNESCO through registering and organizing local events or initiatives in your community, region or online.

You can register your event at: https://en.unesco.org/feedback/global-mil-week-2016-celebration-event-registration. Registered events will be displayed on the interactive map on the homepage of the Global MIL Week 2016 official website<https://en.unesco.org/global-mil-week-2016>.

Please see below a news article in this regard for further information.

Global Media and Information Literacy Week 2016: Celebrate with us and register your events
Going towards 5th Global MIL Week, UNESCO is calling all stakeholders to join the celebration of Media and Information Literacy through organization of events or initiatives in their community, region or online. Celebrate with us!
This Global Call is open across the world, building up to the Global MIL Week celebrations that will take place from 31 October to 5 November. The feature event for Global MIL Week be held in Sao Paulo Brazil from November 2nd - 5th 2016. Local events can take place during the year leading up to Global MIL Week, or be announced as events that will occur in your country or region around the period of Global MIL Week in November.
You can register your event HERE<https://en.unesco.org/feedback/global-mil-week-2016-celebration-event-registration>.

New Paradigms for Intercultural Dialogue
This year the theme of Global MIL Week is New Paradigms for Intercultural Dialogue.
Media and Information literacy (MIL) is increasingly important in the global communications environment.
It enables users to understand how traditional and new media can be platforms to promote the values of peace and dialogue.  Media institutions themselves can do more to recognize the need to empower audiences with this knowledge.
The role of other intermediaries such as libraries, archive, museums and Internet irrespective of technologies used is also essential for MIL.
As it was emphasized during the Second European MIL Forum<http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/resources/news-and-in-focus-articles/all-news/news/riga_recommendations_highlight_media_and_information_literac/>, Media and Information Literacy is a discipline that enables life. It aligns with developing participatory global citizenship identities that are crucial for developing more humane and democratic societies.
How to celebrate Global MIL Week?
UNESCO is inviting organizations, institutions and individuals to organize a MIL Day in their communities by bringing together diverse actors committed to MIL (NGOS, MIL practitioners, local media, policy makers, students, teachers etc.).
Many local MIL Days or activities will make an echo from the São Paulo conference. Relevant education/training institutions are invited to organize special debates, lectures, or colloquium to promote MIL around the globe.
Communication, information and library science, and education departments can disseminate research findings on themes related to media and information literacy and intercultural dialogue.
Organizations can use social media to raise awareness about MIL in civil society and join the Global Alliance for Media and Information Literacy (GAPMIL).
There are many more ways to mark Global MIL Week - take a look at all 10 ways to celebrate HERE<https://en.unesco.org/global-mil-week-2016/10-ways-celebrate>.
The Global MIL Week 2016 is led by UNESCO in cooperation with General Assembly of the Global Alliance for Partnerships in Media and Information Literacy (GAPMIL), UNAOC and the Media and Information and Intercultural Dialogue (MILID) University Network.  Global MIL Week will be celebrated from 31 October to 5 November 2016 in São Paulo, Brazil.

This article can also be found at http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/resources/news-and-in-focus-articles/all-news/news/global_media_and_information_literacy_week_2016_celebrate_w or on the Global MIL Week 2016 official website<https://en.unesco.org/global-mil-week-2016>.

Kind regards,

Xu Jing

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Xu Jing

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Division for Freedom of Expression and Media Development /
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