[Geo4All] Vision for an OSGeo education program

[labrinos at eled.auth.gr]

Maxi, I think that the teachers don't care. Most of them don't know  
what to do with an open source software.

Nikos


Περιορίζοντας Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>:

> Thanks Nicos for the arguments you put in the table.
> A provocative question... Why a teacher using a web application to teach
> and produce a map should care if the server use open source or not?
>
> More, esri pushing geospatial need and industry is working also for us ;-)
>
> Maxi
>
> Il 29 ott 2016 12:28 AM, <labrinos at eled.auth.gr> ha scritto:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I follow your emails these days and I can see two things: a) enthusiasm and
> b) anger.
> The first is good the second is bad. Both are reasonable. They are
> generated from a kind of an undeclared war between proprietary and FOS
> Software.
> I have the feeling that many of us feel ready to declare war against
> proprietary software but ... don't do it. We need it. Propriery software
> makes us priceless. We do need something to compare with.
> Someone wrote that ESRI has a lot of people working on GIS and education.
> So do we.
> The problem lies on how we are organized. ESRI looks better organized than
> we are. They are focused and they know where to strike first and how. We
> don't.
> Take a look at the emails. Each one is talking either about middle or high
> school and (in my turn) I would talk about primary school. Each level has
> its own needs.
> What do we want from the teachers and from their students? It isn't enough
> to show them how to use GIS. We have to convince them that they need GIS.
> This is what ESRI is doing. In order to do so we have to show them a very
> simple way to use it. ESRI gives free licenses, we give free software. So,
> we give more.
> Teachers and especially students love to show the results of their work. If
> they have to take many courses and 10s of teaching hours (no matter if it
> is webinars or f2f courses) then many of them may get disappointed or
> consider GIS difficult to begin with. Because they don't get quick results
> (for example a newly constructed map).
> In my opinion, we have to begin building a real global network with schools
> of any level of education. This is something I had proposed few months ago
> but I got almost no answer. We can do that the same way that GeoForAll was
> built. With patience and vision.
> I am almost 23 years talking about GIS in school teachers (starting back in
> 1994) and I think that the difference was made since the beginning of web
> mapping. This is because they can see their efforts go public. Everyone
> loves publicity. It will be easier to go from the very simple keystrokes of
> web mapping to more complicated procedures (teachers don't like much
> georeferrencing systems etc) of GIS.
> Who thinks that we can start with these two thngs? a) forming a well
> organized global school network and b) web mapping as a starter?
> We have to have system and patience.
>
> Best wishes
> Nikos
>
>
>
>
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Τηλ.: 2310 991201 / 991230
Email: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
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Dr. Nikos Lambrinos
Associate Professor
Faculty of Education
School of Primary Education
Dept. of Science and New Technologies
Aristotle University of Thessaloniki
GR-54124 Thessaloniki, Greece
Tel: +30 2310 991201
Email: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
Web Page:       http://users.auth.gr/labrinos/
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