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<div id="divRpF578928" style="direction: ltr; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Thank you for these clarifications. I fully agree that </font>certification for FOSS should be based on the community for the community
and it is important to have FOSS4G/OSGeo certifications but as you rightly pointed out the Accreditation must be given by an acknowledged organisation like OSGeo or other communities (i.e. QGIS association ) following established guidelines and criteria
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<div id="divRpF578928" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">It should also be done through universities within Geo4All and </font><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; ">established trainers
</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "> with strong track record. For example, FOSS4G Academy who have run successful MOOC programs in QGIS etc might be one candidate. There are also many other universities in our network
who can also run this. But the OSGeo Board (or other specific communities like QGIS Association) should be the one who decides this and also the costs/criteria etc.</span></div>
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<div id="divRpF578928" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I definitely think it is an important opportunity that our Education colleagues and OSGeo Board should work to enable widening opportunities. Properitery GIS vendors have
been over many years doing this for expanding their dominance and we cannot ignore this.</font></div>
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<div id="divRpF578928" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">So my suggestion is that to get this started that you and Tanzeel prepare a position paper for this with all details and send to all of us. I invite all our Geo4All colleagues
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<div id="divRpF578928" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Once the community agrees then we can send it to OSGeo Board for consideration and approval so the initiative can start.</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Franz-Josef Behr [franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Suchith Anand; tanzeel rehman<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification<br>
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Dear Suchith,<br>
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thank you for your message and concerns. I'd like to bring in some clarification.<br>
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<li>Basically certification for FOSS should be based on the community for the community.
</li><li>Accreditation must be given by an acknowledged organisation like OSGeo, as you mentioned, and perhaps other communities (i.e. QGIS association [1]). This should be the "umbrella".
</li><li>Examinations should be endorsed by acknowledged Universities (i.e. Geo4All members). Here I am looking for supporters.<br>
</li><li>Education is provided by certified trainers (still further work needed) </li><li>Organisational work and management has to be done by an agency. This could be an opportunity for Tanzeel.
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In my opinion FOSS4G/OSGeo certifications can be beneficial for all participants:<br>
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<li>for the community </li><li>for the further dissemination of open tools, data, and standards </li><li>for the trainees </li><li>for the trainers </li><li>for the companies looking for employees </li><li>for the organising agency </li><li>for Universities (offering education). </li></ul>
Similar to [1] certification should have either a fixed, moderate cost, or a cost relative to the GDP/mean salary of the country of origin of the trainee
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Suchith and colleagues, I'd really appreciate your support and your ideas.<br>
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Regards<br>
Franz-Josef<br>
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification" target="_blank">
http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification</a><br>
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<div><font size="3">Thank you for the email and more information. The idea of <span style="">open source certification model based on geospatial technology competency model is good BUT i do have concerns on your aim to </span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">commercialise
this certification under the umberella of a private company. OSGeo Board should be the one who should be able to take the decision on certification for OSGeo software training.</span></font></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">I was not aware of your discussions with Jeff and others on this that you mention in your mail . I am ccing this to our education colleagues, so they can give an informed answer and suggestions
to this. I suggest that you email the OSGeo Board with all details, so that they will be able to give you suggestions on the best way for this.</font></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font size="3">Best wishes,</font></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2015 2:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">
suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders in Innovation Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Suchith<br>
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Thanks for concerns .yes it is my master thesis and I develop an open source certification model based on geospatial technology competency model. I preseneted this topic in FOSS4g Como pre conference and it was highly appriciated even some of guys were really
intrested. We had a meeting also for accereditation and approval for this model and jeff suggested that it should be project based certifocation. Now a days me in spokane for gis pro confernece because i want to commercialise this certification under the umberella
of my new born company spatial junction <br>
And my second supervisor phillip davis appriciated alot.<br>
I need support and suggesstions from all of you to uplift the OSgeo model<br>
Thanks<br>
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">
Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com" target="_blank">
tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">
ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders in Innovation Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program<br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:45:14 +0000<br>
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<div>Apologies i could not understand the background discussion on the topic on certification. From Frans-Josef email some time back i understand this is something related to your Masters Thesis. Is this correct? Did you discuss this with the OSGeo Board? If
it is related to OSGeo certification then you should get approval from the OSGeo Board first.</div>
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