[geos-devel] RFC 9: Restore C++ API as public API

[Mateusz Loskot]

Regina,

The first and third statements in the second paragraph of your response is
false.
I have ever asked to "guarantee a stable C++ API at this point in time" or
at any point ever.
It's a fact.

The second statement in the second paragraph of your response is also false.
GEOS users can and do depend on the C++ API.
It's a fact.

The arguments you present show to me you're pursuing goals of a package
manager but not a programmer who wrote that code.
This brought incompatible toys in to the common sandbox.
You do not want to recognise it.

I'm not going to keep convincing you anymore.
I've run out of rational arguments.


Mateusz Loskot, mateusz at loskot.net
(Sent from mobile)


P. S. There is really no need for the epithets


On Fri, 17 May 2019, 14:13 Regina Obe, <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:

>
>
> I'm a developer and a package manager (inside Google and somewhat still
> around for fink on mac)...
>
>
>
> I count on both the C and C++ APIs for many projects.  Projects needing
> ABI stability know they need to stick to C interfaces.
>
>
>
> For those of us packagers that "live at head" (well mostly...), we know
> that ABI stability is out the window and it's up to us to manage things
> carefully.
>
>
>
> I've been successfully doing C++ management with GEOS and GDAL for many
> years.  It seems reasonable for debian to only support C, but please don't
> rule out C++ for others.  For me, C++ APIs are radically better than C for
> large scale work (aka google) and I really really don't want more
> custom/external to the package C++ wrappers for C (with or without wrapping
> C++).
>
>
>
> http://schwehr.org
>
> *[Regina Obe] *
>
>
>
> I don't think we should discuss this any further until at least GEOS 3.8
> is out.  As we said the C++ API may drastically change in GEOS, so if you
> are relying on it – you should be SEVERELY warned.  We have not taken away
> your ability to use it, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about here.
> We just want to discourage sharing it (via the unstable C++ API).  If you
> live on the head – you compile everything on the head so you can be as
> unstable as you want.
>
>
>
> We said the C++ API is unstable and we aren't willing to put in the effort
> to guarantee a stable C++ API at this point, so NO it is not a first class
> citizen.  Something you can't depend on is NOT a first class citizen.
> Maybe in the future but NOT NOW.
>
>
>
> If you want fancy C++ niceties go use Boost Geometry -  I hear their
> hipster C++ developers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
>
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On Fri, 17 May 2019, 14:13 Regina Obe, <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:

>
>
> I'm a developer and a package manager (inside Google and somewhat still
> around for fink on mac)...
>
>
>
> I count on both the C and C++ APIs for many projects.  Projects needing
> ABI stability know they need to stick to C interfaces.
>
>
>
> For those of us packagers that "live at head" (well mostly...), we know
> that ABI stability is out the window and it's up to us to manage things
> carefully.
>
>
>
> I've been successfully doing C++ management with GEOS and GDAL for many
> years.  It seems reasonable for debian to only support C, but please don't
> rule out C++ for others.  For me, C++ APIs are radically better than C for
> large scale work (aka google) and I really really don't want more
> custom/external to the package C++ wrappers for C (with or without wrapping
> C++).
>
>
>
> http://schwehr.org
>
> *[Regina Obe] *
>
>
>
> I don't think we should discuss this any further until at least GEOS 3.8
> is out.  As we said the C++ API may drastically change in GEOS, so if you
> are relying on it – you should be SEVERELY warned.  We have not taken away
> your ability to use it, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about here.
> We just want to discourage sharing it (via the unstable C++ API).  If you
> live on the head – you compile everything on the head so you can be as
> unstable as you want.
>
>
>
> We said the C++ API is unstable and we aren't willing to put in the effort
> to guarantee a stable C++ API at this point, so NO it is not a first class
> citizen.  Something you can't depend on is NOT a first class citizen.
> Maybe in the future but NOT NOW.
>
>
>
> If you want fancy C++ niceties go use Boost Geometry -  I hear their
> hipster C++ developers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geos-devel mailing list
> geos-devel at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/geos-devel
>
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