[GRASS-dev] New splash screen for GRASS GIS 7?
wenzeslaus at gmail.com
Tue Jan 20 22:09:37 PST 2015
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton at asu.edu>
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton at asu.edu>
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>
>> > I'm not really concerned about splash screen but I think we should
>> change the Welcome screen/window. My suggestion is to simply remove the
>> picture and the sentence "Welcome to...open source GIS". This will save a
>> lot of vertical space which will be great advantage for small screens, for
>> example virtual box instances (the default screen size I got with
>> VirtualBox and OSGeoLive was not enough to accommodate this window). The
>> other reason why we need to save vertical space is actually a need to add
>> more things. There is "one row" for error message but I would like to see
>> this replaced by a block with info box for errors, warnings and general
>> help messages (e.g., what to do next).
>> IMHO, this kind of stuff does not belong on the spash screen. Errors
>> and warnings (hopefully there are none) already show up in the terminal
>> window, and we have help available on the main start up screen.
>> The splash is an entry—and an advertisement—for GRASS. Looking nice is
>> actually important, but especially for a piece of high end visual software.
>> I don’t think we should make the first view that people have when they
>> start GRASS be boring or ugly just to accommodate tiny screens. It would be
>> nice if there are any with graphic design expertise who could weigh in here.
>> The splash screen is replaced shortly by the (much more prosaic) main
>> start up screen anyway. So why not keep it something that has visual appeal.
>> Sorry for the confusion. I'm speaking about welcome/start/setup/
> window which actually appears *before* the splash screen and it has an old
> school picture which just eats vertical space. See the following links (or
> start GRASS :-).
> OK. I was talking about the Medieval map, which was the start of the
> thread. I’d suggested the first real world map, with some welcome text.
> Even better would be doing something with visual impact with a historic map
> or some other display (we already have OpenGL loaded…). But that would take
> someone with the needed graphic skills. A colorful map and some good text
> is still tasteful.
> I also agree that the start screen needs some love too. It is boring
> grey and has a dated image at the top—which is what it seems you are
> talking about, right?
> Your nice green lettering on a light background would give it a nice
> clean look. FWIW, it would be classy to have the entire dialog an equally
> lighter shade too, with green or dark grey lettering in a nice font for the
> text outside of the wxPython control widgets.
> I still wouldn’t put error messages on this dialog because it already
> has a lot of information and controls, and we need people to focus on what
> is needed to run GRASS. Maybe a more prominent help button because no one
> seems to notice it.
> Thanks for the feedback, however I think we need the complete opposite.
Nobody reads the help even if the browser would open automatically. The
help included in the dialog directly (not in the tooltips), in the form of
messages focusing on "what to do next", is the right way to communicate
with user. This seems as a general (long term) trend which is widely
accepted and I consider it good.
I actually already applied this when I replaced several error dialogs by
the error like with red text for cases when gisdbase is not valid. (This
avoids user being bashed by error dialogs when gisdbase is empty or the dir
was moved.) Error messages and tips are obviously helpful for running GRASS
while some non-boring backgrounds and pictures could be distracting.
Removing the green text and the picture will buy space for additional line
or two for info and error messages while keeping the dialog smaller than it
is now. Another advantage of not having any picture at all is that it will
never get old (as happened to the current one).
The shade of gray you see should be your system color. If you believe you
see different one then it is likely a wxPython/wxWidgets bug. GRASS GIS, as
any other SW should respect the system settings as much as possible, for
example for aesthetics and accessibility reasons. Even the green text on
start button is against accessibility rules. Same with font, wxPython is
trying to use default system font. If custom font would be used, there is
no guaranty that it will be accessible on particular machine. For example,
I have really nice font by default for all the standard widgets, just the
green text (with custom font) is not really nice.
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>> I hope to find some time to change this tomorrow before RC2 if there are
>> no voices against. I will remove the picture (including its ISIS
>> alternative) and the green (motto) text. I hope to find some good title
>> text for this welcome/startup/setup screen/window.
>> Please do not mess with the splash screen until we’ve heard from
>> My 2 cents worth
>> With this it could be interesting to revise naming of the following
>> page where filename, title and content don't match.
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Michael Barton <Michael.Barton at asu.edu>
>> > I agree with Bringing… rather than Opening…
>> > Bringing is better English and many people would not get the double
>> meaning of Opening…
>> > I still like a map for the splash screen. Of the 2 logos you did, I
>> think the white background looks classier.
>> As I said, I'm more interested in changing page titles then the splash
>> screen , however I like the idea of some simple splash screen. The white
>> background image I did could be used in trac and in manual. I'm just not
>> sure if it is ok that it is not text but image. For the manual it should be
>> anyway replaced by something which contains version of GRASS and the name
>> of the module (which should be manageable since page title tag contains the
>> module name).
>> > Michael
>> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Nikos Alexandris <
>> nik at nikosalexandris.net> wrote:
>> >> On 20.01.2015 11:38, Martin Landa wrote:
>> >>> 2015-01-20 6:18 GMT+01:00 Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu>:
>> >>>> I like this one - I think it well represents what GRASS is.
>> (perhaps GRASS GIS?)
>> >>>>> GRASS. Bringing advanced geospatial technologies to the world.
>> >>> +1
>> >>> Much more better than the current:
>> >>> The world's leading open source GIS
>> >> What about
>> >> "GRASS, opening advanced geospatial technologies to the world."
>> > I like more the "Bringing advanced..." than "Opening advanced..."
>> because it has emphasis on features. Not everybody understands advantages
>> of openness (yet).
>> > Note that it should be "GRASS GIS", not "GRASS" as much as possible.
>> > We can just create a image with logo+GRASS GIS+motto which could be
>> used as splash and perhaps elsewhere too, for example in headers/titles of
>> pages where we have just the logo and not name (Trac, manual). See
>> attachment for suggestion.
>> > Vaclav
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